Target Announces Intent to Sell Alcohol, Retreating on Early Pledge Not to

by on February 8, 2024 · 34 comments

in History, Ocean Beach

There’s a new sign adorning the windows of the Ocean Beach Target that has taken some residents aback. It’s a Public Notice announcing an application to sell alcoholic beverages within the giant corporate store.

Given the store’s controversial opening 6-7 years ago, the intent to sell alcohol is just one more slap in the face of the community where many residents rose up to oppose its opening. How so?

Back in 2017, Target officials pledged that the new store would not open with alcohol for sale. It was a big issue for OBceans at the time. As an opposition group stated on their website:

Further concern lies in Target’s expected stocking of alcohol. Unneeded in our community is yet more off-site alcohol sales; the community is already over-saturated by about 300%.

Both the OB Town Council and the OB Planning Board came out and “oppose[ed] any future permits for the off-site sale of alcohol across the Ocean Beach….”

In September of 2017, the OB Town Council issued a statement, part of which stated:

Further, we fully support the Ocean Beach Planning Board’s decision to oppose any future permits for the off-site sale of alcohol across the Ocean Beach planning area, which includes the proposed Target location. …

If the owners of the Antique Mall building and Target Corporation continue to move forward with their lease agreement, disregarding the clear and expressed will of the community, the OBTC would call on the Target Corporation to uphold, abide, and respect the resolution of the Ocean Beach Planning Board and OBTC to refrain from off-site sales of alcohol.

Many OBceans, community groups and businesses at the time believed that this pledge by Target would last. But even back in 2017, the “No Target in OB” group acknowledged this:

In an August 2nd [2017] community meeting, Target officials claimed that the store will not open with alcohol for sale, but refused to confirm that alcohol would not be sold on their shelves in the future.

Now, nearly 7 years later, Target plans to offer booze.

July 5, 2017 the OB Rag breaks the news that Target is moving onto OB’s main commercial street, Newport Avenue. The very next day, a petition started on Change.org to keep Target out of Ocean Beach.

A poll on an OB facebook on the issue involving over 500 respondents resulted in 70% opposed to the store, checking the box for “Terrible. Keep OB Local.” Check out this post about one of the first community meetings where many came out in opposition to Target.

In April of 2018, the Rag summarized the early resistance to Target.

 

No to Target protest march down Newport Ave., Aug. 30, 2017. Photo credit: Frank Gormlie

And the “No Target in OB” campaign immediately heated up: a Petition against the store moving into OB was begun, and The James Gang even printed “No Target” T-shirts by the end of July.

Fueling opposition to Target is OB’s long history of an anti-corporate attitude. The opposition in the community was clearly demonstrated at the first public gathering on the issue, an early August special forum of the OB Planning Board – most in the audience were against the mega-store coming to OB.

By mid-August the opposition jelled into a formal organization, the No to Target group’s facebook page was set up – and the first protest was held on August 30th, with a large crowd marching down Newport Avenue and rallying in front of the Antique Center.

OB Planning Board forum on Target, August 2017. Those standing and clapping are doing so in opposition to Target. Many of those sitting are Target employees.

Another large crowd opposed to Target was in attendance at the OB Town Council’s forum on the store on August 23rd. By early October, the boycott of Target was officially launched.  The OB Rag posted a pictorial gallery of the South Park Target Express to show what OB could expect.

The campaign against Target Express has quieted down recently, perhaps due to the 3-month reprieve given the vendors, or perhaps due to hope based on speculation that Amazon would buy out Target – which didn’t materialize.  Or maybe it’s the realization that the corporate behemoth would have its way – despite the community’s expressed opposition. Maybe it’s just a resignation to this reality. Now that the vendors are actually leaving – we’ll see if the opposition re-emerges and rears its head to save OB’s sanctity.

In April of 2018, Target promised to close at 5 pm, in their effort to secure the old Antique store and please the city. By early November, Target made it official that it was moving into OB.

And that December, without community input and behind closed doors, the city made arrangements with Target to get past certain restrictions — mainly parking requirements.

Target did open, of course and by July of 2019, the Rag reported:

Opposition to the new Target on Newport Avenue in Ocean Beach has rekindled and activists have shifted gears in their approach to the behemoth retail magnet opening its doors in one of the most anti-corporate neighborhoods in San Diego.

After a slumber of over a year, the anti-Target campaign has jumped back onto the streets of OB with the main focus now of building support for local independent businesses and to prevent “further corporate takeover”.

A demonstration is being planned for this Sunday July 28th, in fact, by the activists who are asking fellow OBceans to come out at noon and show their support of our local merchants. It will be in front of the Target, at 4864 Newport Ave. Organizers are asking people to make signs for some of their favorite local businesses.

About a dozen people showed up at Target’s opening last Sunday with the message of “protect our community” and “shop local.”

The protests and opposition to Target have all died down by now, although there are plenty of locals who still do not shop there. This new retreat on Target’s earlier pledge not to sell alcohol has all the markings of a true corporate giant’s decision-making process. Bottom line is what’s important.

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Geoff Page February 8, 2024 at 12:15 pm

And the 5:00 p.m. promise is also gone as they are now open until 10:00. Once they start selling booze, closing time will probably be even later.

I’ve never set foot in the place and never will.

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Dr. Jack Hammer February 8, 2024 at 2:56 pm

Right there with ya Geoff! Errrr, not there, I guess.

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kh February 12, 2024 at 8:35 pm

The 5pm closure was only due to their initial lack of parking since their lot was assigned to South Beach after 5pm.

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Chris February 8, 2024 at 12:44 pm

I’m sure I’ll get stones thrown at me for asking this and Vern will have some response where I’ll have no idea of his point but I’ll ask anyway.
What exactly is the issue so many seem to have with Target being in OB? And so what if they will sell alcohol? I didn’t know they already weren’t.
I remember the same controversy in South Park.

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Vern February 8, 2024 at 5:09 pm

The views you express are false due to the fact you don’t sincerely hold them yourself.

(You’re welcome in advance!)

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Chris February 8, 2024 at 5:14 pm

At least I understood you this time.

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Vern February 8, 2024 at 6:32 pm

The struggle is real.

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Geoff Page February 8, 2024 at 2:10 pm

I’m sure you must know that OB has a long, long history of working to keep corporate stores out of OB. The big fight before Target was Starbucks.

OB, as has been noted already, is way over the proper percentage of alcohol sellers, 30o% I have heard. That is more than enough. And, Target’s business will hurt the local businesses that have been here for years that sell alcohol.

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Chris February 8, 2024 at 2:50 pm

Yes I’m aware of that history and the Starbucks saga. I used to go the place it was before Starbucks (then that moved to the college area and became a bar/music venue) and the place it was before that (owned by Bill Winston of Winston’s). I wish I could remember the names. The good thing is, Starbucks couldn’t manage to attract enough business because of both attitudes and simply better options. I’m bummed Jungle Java is now gone.
Anyway I think over time attitudes about not wanting ANY corporate entities are shifting. At least to a degree. I don’t think the presence of Target is going to result in an explosion of corporate businesses in OB any more than it does in North Park or South Park. Maybe selling alcohol will have some impact on other alcohol selling businesses, but all the liquor stores in the other two areas I mentioned are still going.

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Geoff Page February 8, 2024 at 3:02 pm

Much as I hate to defend Starbucks regarding leaving OB, I think the problem was an inability to deal with the street people that took over that corner. It made business impossible.

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Chris February 8, 2024 at 3:12 pm

Valid point. It got bad there, but I DO remember even before that they always had kind of a low customer turn out. OB really had (and still has) much better places to get coffee drinks. Better product along with a better atmosphere.
So jog my memory. What were the two places before Starbucks went in?

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Frank Gormlie February 8, 2024 at 4:06 pm

Chris – Java Joe’s

“Singer-songwriter Jewel got her start at Java Joe’s in Poway in 1992 as a barista, although it was a short-lived gig. In 1998 she performed at Java Joe’s, which had relocated to Ocean Beach, for the ABC-TV special, “Where It’s At: Rolling Stone’s State of the Union.” ”
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/entertainment/music/story/2023-01-04/java-joes-reunion-concert-to-celebrate-storied-san-diego-venue-where-jewel-and-jason-mraz-got-their-starts

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Chris February 8, 2024 at 4:31 pm

THAT’S IT. Thanks Frank. Saw Gregory Page, Lisa Sanders, Robin Henkel, See Spot Groove, and many others. And what was it before that when it was owned by Bill Winston? Saw much music in that incarnation also.

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Greg February 8, 2024 at 2:11 pm

“I remember the same controversy in South Park.”

That saga had one of my all-time favorite quotes from a local resident asking why a big chain store was needed instead of something better like a Whole Foods.

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T March 4, 2024 at 9:19 am

Hahaha

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SS Ben February 8, 2024 at 2:31 pm

I agree, I don’t see what the big deal is. Firstly, I like that target is open later so I can go when I get off work. There are products, such as specialty toiletries, you can’t find at local stores in OB, so it saves me a trip (and gas, think about the environment) to the big target on Sports Arena.

Secondly, who cares if they sell alcohol. As stated, there are many other places that sell it, so one more does not indicate a slippery slope (a logical fallacy too often used by self-righteous individuals and politicians anyways) even if numbers are already high. Honestly, the prices and selection at their Sports Arena store suck. So even if I do buy specific items at Target, alcohol won’t be one of them (local shops have a much better craft selection).

I am all for supporting local, and I patronize local businesses as much as possible. But the only constant in life is change. So why not focus on change that really matters.

Since Target opened has any business specifically suffered because of its presence? Show me the data. Seriously, as a social scientist I would be interested to see the impact it has had so far.

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Geoff Page February 8, 2024 at 2:58 pm

There’s a sensitive comment, “I am all for supporting local, and I patronize local businesses as much as possible. But the only constant in life is change.”

So, if the change is to total corporate control and the death of local businesses, well, that’s just change, the only constant in life, and you’re fine with that. You are living in the wrong town dude.

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SS Ben February 8, 2024 at 7:01 pm

You are exaggerating the situation. OB has fought vehemently against corporate buyouts. And I am proud of our local culture. But change cannot be avoided. So I again ask my initial honest question, show me the proof that target has had a negative impact. If there is REAL evidence, please share the truth.

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Geoff Page February 8, 2024 at 8:04 pm

Every dollar spent in Target that could have been spent in local businesses is a damage.

And every corporation that wants to get in here will find it easier because of Target. That is also a damage.

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SS Ben February 8, 2024 at 8:32 pm

You are again missing the point. There are products that are not readily available at local OB establishments. So why does it matter if I buy them at Target, or “old” OB locations like riteaid? Yes, we should all support local as much as we can, but if I need toilet paper, where do you really suggest I buy it?

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Geoff Page February 8, 2024 at 9:03 pm

Try the supermarket on Newport between Cable and Bacon.

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SS Ben February 8, 2024 at 9:22 pm

So where exactly do you buy your toilet between cable and bacon? Krisp?

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SS Ben February 8, 2024 at 9:25 pm

Sorry, typo. And this forum has no corrections
“Toilet paper”

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Christo K March 4, 2024 at 3:41 pm

Box of Triscuits

Krisp- park, get accosted by drunken trolls in lot, go in and get glared at by the owners who then go back to staring at their computer, spend $8.

Target- park, walk right in, get cheerfully greeted by the Manager who is always wiping things down, spend $3.69.

This happened last week.

Guess which one gets my repeat business?

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Sam March 4, 2024 at 5:01 pm

So is it just Target that we’re against? What about CVS, Rite Aid, Speedway Express, 7-11, Jack in the Box, Autozone, Shell, and 76? Are all of these corporate businesses on the verboten list as well?

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Frank Gormlie March 4, 2024 at 6:21 pm

If you read the comments, you might pick up some of the history about the anti-corporate attitude in OB and its long life. Obviously, the boycott of OB Target never really panned out. Uh, like way different forces. But until the day Starbucks left OB, many OBceans never set foot inside, carrying out their informal quiet boycott.

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Paul Webb February 8, 2024 at 3:38 pm

I guess I’ll demonstrate my age again and remind people that this fight against corporate interests is nothing new. I remember when Winchell’s Donuts wanted to have a store on the corner of Sunset Cliffs and W. Point Loma.

Emotions ran so high against Winchell’s that someone actually firebombed a Winchell’s elsewhere in San Diego.

I’m really glad that this extreme activism seems to be long gone – and not missed!

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kh February 12, 2024 at 8:44 pm

50 years later Valvoline is trying to open shop on that same corner. And the probable forebombed that themselves, figuratively speaking, by violating their permit.

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kh February 13, 2024 at 9:27 am

Forgive my phone typos

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retired botanist February 8, 2024 at 4:07 pm

No surprise from this reader! I haven’t been to a Target in > 20 years, and was vehemently opposed to their occupation in OB when I lived there. The ONE thing you can count on from these corporations is that its ALL about the edge of the wedge! Promise anything! We’ve seen it a million times, I could write the PR scripts myself!
“We’ll close early! We won’t sell alcohol! We won’t take up parking spaces! We won’t compete with local businesses! Yes, we have another store less than a mile down the road at Sports Arena, but think of the gas-saving!”
And then, once they’re in, its like trying to pry a limpet off a rock.
Oh, and nevermind that, indeed, OB exceeds its alcohol licensing limits that are SO over the top!
And they are still using those god-danged horrible plastic bags, right?! Disgusted. Please! Don’t vote your dollar there! At least put them out of business in OB.

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SS Ben February 8, 2024 at 7:50 pm

Yes, corporations suck. And yes, they don’t keep promises. Why are people always surprised by this? If you have been fighting the good fight for all these years and still nothing has come it, then why haven’t you changed your strategy?

If you could write the PR script “for them” (as you stated), why can’t you write the PR script AGAINST them.

Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil. Just saying ????

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Geoff Page March 4, 2024 at 11:30 am

What the hell does your last sentence mean????

“Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil. Just saying ????”

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Geoff Page February 8, 2024 at 4:13 pm

Well said, retired!

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kh February 12, 2024 at 8:34 pm

Well they got mealy mouthed about the alcohol license during that meeting, but they lied through their teeth about seeking input and “having nothing in writing”… they had already signed a lease.

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