News From the Sands of September at the Beach

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in Culture, Economy, Environment, Health, History, Labor, Ocean Beach, Organizing

Point Loma High School, 1925.

Councilman Ed Harris and Nathan Fletcher Urge Veterans Not to Sign Petition Against Minimum Wage

Councilman Ed Harris, Former Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher and other veterans held a press conference on September 5th and asked the public not to sign any petitions related to the sick days-minimum wage referendum, which seeks to take away sick days and the minimum wage from hard-working San Diegans.

In San Diego, a number of veterans are minimum wage earners and stand to benefit from the raise if the new ordinance goes forward as planned January 1, 2015. Harris stated:

“For over 200 years, our service men and women have not let us down. Yet as a nation, we frequently fail our veterans. As a Marine veteran, I’m concerned that in San Diego we have over 10,000 veterans earning the minimum wage. They and others deserve the fair hourly wage increase recently passed by the San Diego City Council. If you want to show your support for San Diego veterans, don’t sign the petition.”

The Councilmen is among the supermajority who voted to pass the Earned Sick Leave-Minimum Wage Ordinance. Harris and his colleagues would like to see the measure—which offers 5 earned sick days and an incremental increase in the minimum wage—implemented January 1, 2015 but an effort funded by the California Restaurant Association and the Chamber of Commerce is working to gather signatures to take away sick days and the minimum wage from hundreds of thousands of San Diegans. If anti-minimum wage petitioners succeed with their referendum the implementation of the ordinance could be delayed a minimum of 18 months.

CHP Goes After SeaWorld “Sucks” Guy on Charges of Vandalism and Trespass

Your CHP is after the guy who climbed a CalTrans sign and taped “Sucks” to the SeaWorld and who posted a video made of his escapades. It was Stephen Gilchrist Glover, aka “Steve-O,” a MTV reality show star, who did the dirty deed – celebrated by animal rights activists everywhere.

Investigators from the state want to take him to court for vandalism and trespassing charges, as Caltrans say the escapade cost California taxpayers more than $7,000. It was costly as when tape was removed it pulled off reflective sheeting and the entire sign had to be replaced. And, the CHP says, motorists were disrupted when crews closed two freeway lanes during repairs.  The DA’s office has to decide whether to press charges or not.

Steve-O is the star of the “Jackass” reality show. He posted a video on YouTube clearly taking responsibility for his actions. “I’m putting my foot down for Shamu,” he said and wrote, “I filmed myself committing a crime in the middle of California’s 5 Freeway.”

Planners tackle concerns, nuances of Veterans’ Plaza rock-wall design

By Tony de Garate / media

Supporters of a new Veterans’ Plaza in Ocean Beach say the project is generating excitement and useful feedback as it’s being pitched to various government entities for approval and private groups for fundraising.

Plans call for the $750,000 plaza to be built on the grassy area south of the main lifeguard tower on Abbott Street. The design, dubbed “Life’s Journey,” would consist of a seven-feet-high representation of Sunset Cliffs with four 15-feet-wide granite walls attached that contain the names of honored veterans. An adjacent walkway with a tide pattern and inlay of stars representing those lost in battle would run from Abbott Street to the sand.

The latest bit of good advice came earlier this month during a hearing of the Design Review Committee of the city’s Park and Recreation Board, said Steve Grosch of the Ocean Beach Community Development Corporation (OBCDC), the group spearheading the project. That committee, while unanimously supporting the project, advised now is the time to be on the lookout for things that could go wrong with the depiction of Sunset Cliffs, Grosch said.  He said the committee was rich in architectural knowledge and convinced him of the need for a skilled design of the memorial rock wall.  For the balance of the article.

More About the Parrots and About the Parrot Shot in OB

A recent U-T San Diego story goes into more detail about the parrots and the parrot shot in OB in June. It was apparently found June 8th near Sacred Heart Church on Saratoga Avenue near Sunset Cliffs.  It reported:

“Ocean Beach resident Ann Hornby, who has a pet parrot of her own, captured the bird by throwing a towel over it after it resisted all attempts to pick it up. She said it growled and screeched and tried to fly away but it just flopped on the ground. She took it home, gave it some food and water and then it “promptly fell asleep,” Hornby said. She then called Project Wildlife which in turn notified SoCal Parrot. Hornby thought the bird possibly had a broken wing.

However, X-rays showed the bird had been shot with some kind of pellet or BB gun, and that the projectile was deeply embedded near its neck and shoulder area.  It’s not known when the bird was shot but it appears that it had been on the ground for some time as the wound had already started to heal, said Plante.

The parrot was malnourished and had grease on his chest that smelled like some type of cooking oil. Plante said she had no idea how the oil got on the bird, that perhaps someone was trying to help it somehow, or maybe it got into some trash.  It has since been nursed back to health but it can no longer fly, Plante said.”

The U-T quoted Plante as saying that there is no exact count of the parrots’ numbers but “there are more that 1,000 and that people have reported seeing flocks of 100 or more, plus there are 13 different species in Southern California including mitred and red-masked conures and the lilac-crowned Amazon.” Plante is quoted as saying that “the red-crowned Amazon, which is native to Mexico, can live to 60 to 80 years old, Plante said. The bird will remain at the sanctuary for the rest of its life”. Anyone who witnesses someone harming a bird or any other animal can call animal services at (619) 767-2675.

 City’s plan to uproot illegal pot shops is a slow, arduous process

By Dave Schwab / sdnews.com

Even with a new city medical marijuana ordinance in place and applications pending for licensed cooperatives in the Peninsula, a number of pre-existing, unlicensed dispensaries continue to fly under the radar.

Weedmap online lists about a half-dozen cooperatives currently operating in the Point Loma-Ocean Beach area, including Cloud 9 Co Op on West Point Loma Boulevard, Point Loma Patients Association on Rosecrans and Lytton streets, Starbuds Inc. on Midway Drive, Happy High Herbs on Newport Avenue, Happy Head Foot Reflexology and Massage – Sports Arena on Midway Drive and Super Max on Newport Avenue.

A matter of continuing frustration for local residents and legislators alike, District 2 City Councilman Ed Harris said recently that of 63 illegal medical dispensaries operating citywide, 17 are in the beach areas he represents. Harris said shutting down unpermitted medical-marijuana dispensaries is not an easy task, however. For the balance of the article.

Rock in peace? Fat chancePoint Loma man says city’s noise ordinance is unconstitutional

By Dorian Hargrove / The San Diego Reader / Sept. 5, 2014

Point Loma resident Jeffrey Krinsk has filed a lawsuit against mayor Kevin Faulconer, Development Services director Robert Vacchi, and code-enforcement officer Melody Negrete for violating his constitutional right to due process.

“The Defendants knew, or are negligent in not knowing, that its policies, customs and/or practices are improper and cause citizens of California to have large fines imposed without meaningful notice of their rights, or an opportunity to be heard. As a direct and proximate result of the continuing conduct of the Defendants as alleged above, Plaintiff, as well as the general public, has suffered, and continue to suffer, substantial injuries.”

In March 2013, San Diego police officers arrived at Krinsky’s home in response to a call that loud music was emanating from Krinsky’s home. Krinsky went downstairs to meet the officers. The two sides exchanged words. Krinsky was soon slapped with a written citation that if not addressed could result in a $1000 fine and up to six months in jail. For the balance of the article.

Former Point Loma Man Arrested in Hawaii on 7-Year Old Murder Case of Wife

By Bridget Naso and R. Stickney / NBC7

A Honolulu man has been arrested, accused of killing his wife in San Diego seven years ago. Anthony Edward Simoneau, 46, of Honolulu, Hawaii is in custody awaiting extradition on one count of murder in the San Diego County homicide investigation. Local prosecutors worked with Honolulu police to arrest Simoneau Thursday at his home in connection with the discovery of his wife’s body in the Anza Borrego Desert.

Forty-one-year-old Ogawa, a Japanese national, was last seen near her and Simoneau’s home in Point Loma around Jan. 4, 2007. At the time, it was her family in Japan — not Simoneau– who notified police that she was missing. When SDPD investigators interviewed her husband, he told them she had gone to Hawaii, police say. For balance of article.

 Coast Guard Rescues 5 People and One Boat Off Point Loma

Coast Guard crews pumped water from a sinking boat and rescued five people off the coast of Point Loma, agency officials said Sunday. The Coast Guard Sector San Diego received an emergency call from the vessel PMS Escape II at 5:58 p.m. Saturday after the boat began to take on water about 17 miles west of Point Loma, according to a statement by U.S. Coast Guard officials.

The boaters aboard the 30-foot pleasure vessel — including four adults and a 16-year-old boy – were deep sea fishing. They used a handheld radio to make the call and told the Coast Guard their ship had lost propulsion, was taking on water, listing heavily on its port side and had no battery power to operate its bilge pumps or other electronics, the USCG said.

“When he said ‘call the Coast Guard,’ I knew this was serious,” Mike Jernigan told 10News Monday from Coast Guard headquarters in San Diego. “I didn’t know if there was a giant hole in the boat or a pinhole. I knew there was a problem.”  10NEWS 

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Wireless Mike September 8, 2014 at 2:18 pm

The noise ordinances exist for a reason, because most people sleep at night. One disrespectful individual can disrupt an entire neighborhood’s sleep, particularly in a densely populated area.

A sound level meter can be purchased at Radio Shack for around $40, which can quickly settle disputes with noisy neighbors (if they are cooperative).

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Debbie September 8, 2014 at 10:03 pm

Is Krinsk the Attorney who bought Maureen O’Connor’s house?

If so, the party must have been loud because houses are not that close together in that neighborhood!

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Frank Gormlie Frank Gormlie September 8, 2014 at 9:16 pm

I’m sure that Happy High Herbs on Newport Avenue does not sell the type of herbs that are the subject of the account. I wonder who made the list up – was it some kind of inside joke?

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Dave Rice September 8, 2014 at 10:38 pm

I know the herb shop on Newport is no longer Happy, Healthy, Horny & High, and that they don’t sell pot (but they do sell a lot of kratom), but the Happy Head foot massage place at the corner of Midway & Rosecrans is something else…always wondered what was up with the name, and the green cross on the building…

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SaneVoice September 10, 2014 at 3:22 pm

The green cross is for Starbuds in the same building. Happy Head is strictly a legitimate massage therapy business with multiple locations throughout the city. And since when is Super Max on Newport a dispensary ?

This county has had 17 years (!!) to draft and implement a comprehensive medical marijuana policy, but even now they continue to drag their feet and ignore the will of the voters that passed the Compassionate Use Act. They continue to be bought by people like Scott Chipman, San Diego’s resident marijuana abolitionist and Kevin Faulconer’s BFF. They continue to pose idiotic restrictions regarding proximity to schools, churches, parks, et al (while making none of the same restrictions to bars and pill-pushing pharmacies) as to where the dispensaries can be located and force them into industrial areas that will only allow more opportunity for those dispensaries to be robbed. Meanwhile, people that are legitimate medical marijuana users suffer from having safe access to medication.

By the time they actually do their jobs as our representatives, marijuana will be legal for all adults as it should be. It is no more (and actually less damaging) than alcohol or cigarettes to our communities.

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Editor editordude September 8, 2014 at 9:21 pm

We’re constantly experimenting with titles to our newsy roundups. It’s very difficult to get our readers to appreciate these columns, despite the time it takes to collect the short stories and news accounts that can’t stand on their own. Look above – only 1 “like” to this article, posted about 11 hours ago. Okay, we didn’t make the early morning news cycle, but still, we need some feedback, dear reader. Is it worth our time and effort to collect these shorts and present them to you with a catchy if misplaced headline?

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gristmiller September 9, 2014 at 3:36 am

Definitely like the news round-ups!

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Geoff Page Geoff Page September 9, 2014 at 8:30 am

I give it a like also.

Although, I have to wonder why an article about pot shops “flying under the radar” described the shops so clearly as to the names and locations. They ain’t under the radar anymore.

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hdiggler September 9, 2014 at 9:16 am

I think $7k is well worth the exposure, and it’s not like Steve-O doesn’t have that money to drop..

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John September 9, 2014 at 11:18 am

I doubt steve-o really gives a damn about orcas. He just ran out of things to staple his penis to or stick up his butt.

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unWASHEdWallmaRtthONG September 9, 2014 at 8:23 pm

Another memorial to war & those who died. Well, I guess I couldn’t ask for a “peace memorial” because there never has been peace. The WarWagon rolls on & on & on, & there’s no stopping the power of a big fat seven hundred fifty thousand dollar memorial to tribal conflict. Once a project is suggested, everyone just jumps right on to the WarWagon because no one wants to be seen as non patriotic. Here pick on me: I’m not patriotic. I’m not religious. War & conflict & the US waging war on whomever–it’s all sickening. The draft in the Sixties & the Viet Nam firestorm killed about sixty thousand US personnel. Read Nick Turse for more info on that lil skirmish.
More died in Iraq in the nineties, & more died invading Iraq & Afghanistan. ROTC & the lying recruiters pull in the children, & their parents are proud, & they go off & kill or be killed; merely fodder, they are. “I love a man in a uniform,” go the lyrics! Every time someone in Gaza sneezes, the Zionists let off about twenty million dollars worth of US ordnance. On & on & on, the tribes group & regroup to kill & maim. Forever. Into eternity. Kill more people. Honor the dead. Offer military discounts every where. Build new grave yards like the one on Mira Mar Road. Erect memorials, but you shall never ever analyze what started the conflict. Thou shalt simply invade.
This one is easy for me because I will simply avoid this OB memorial just like I avoid that icon up on the hill in La Jolla because that memorial is sickening, & that memorial has got to be the ugliest group of rocks & steel on the planet.

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Geoff Page Geoff Page September 10, 2014 at 8:27 am

Well, I never thought I’d agree with anyone using such a ridiculous moniker as Unwashedwalmarthong but I have to say I do agree with everything he or she said.

I really hope a women isn’t using that alias…

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Sarah September 10, 2014 at 9:24 am

Officially, there was a time of PEACE. I know this because when the VA responded to my request for benefits the denial letter said, “…our records show you served during: THE PEACE…” (Emphasis theirs)

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Frank Gormlie Frank Gormlie September 10, 2014 at 11:53 am

Unwash and Geoff – I’ve been asking myself for a few years now why isn’t there a ‘peace monument’ in OB? OB was the center of the opposition to two wars – the Vietnam war and the Iraq wars.

I’m down to discussing it at least.

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Geoff Page Geoff Page September 10, 2014 at 12:49 pm

That would be far more appropriate for OB than a War Memorial. I have to admit I haven’t paid much attention to this but I’ve heard about it. Can you educate us on what is planned for where? I thought it was just a rehab of the one down on Newport, is it something more?

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John September 12, 2014 at 2:03 am

Its not a WAR memorial its a VETERANS memorial. You know those guys who don’t start wars but don’t usually return home until they are finished- and for all practical purposes usuàlly volunteer to fight to END the damn thing?
Like in WW2 when Hitler was lining up every Jew he could find and exterminating them Americans joined the military to end that.
You are right war is an ugly unfortunate thing. However every generation of humans somewhere seems to feel a need to engage in them and merely unsisting they stop because you don’t approve isn’t terribly productive.
Hitler was a bad man. Saddam was a bad man. Soviet communism was a horribe system. It may seem noble to blanketly condemn violence but is it noble to turn the other way and allow the holocaust?
In the case of Vietnam there certainly was cause to question the government sending young American conscripts to die fighting a political ideology, but just saying you hate wars is kind of silly. I hate the common cold. I hate cancer. They’re a part of life though and I respect those who dedicate their lives to improving the situation- not so much those who just complain about them.

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Geoff Page Geoff Page September 12, 2014 at 8:45 am

John my friend, you need to study a bit more history. First, the Holocaust wasn’t discovered until the Allies went into the extermination camps after winning the war. This country did not enter the war to help the Jews, it entered the war for the same reason most wars are fought, money. There is a lot of money to be made in wars for some folks. Iraq and Afghanistan are two more examples. The people who go and fight may think there is some noble cause and that is because they have been manipulated and because they are ignorant of history.

If you think George Bush went into Iraq just because Saddam was a bad man, you have a lot of reading to do. It was all about oil and armaments. Google for Eisenhower’s famous quote about the military-industrial complex for starters. Soviet communism? It fell apart on its own but what war did we fight with the Soviets? It was far more profitable to not fight but build up a huge military because of the threat. None of the veterans being remembered died in a war with the Soviets.

This is a War Memorial for veterans. And it is being created by people who want to erase Ocean Beach’s long history of being anti-war because that is associated with those crazy hippies. OB is gentrifying and in order to fuel that process, people with money need to be convinced that OB is no longer a hippie haven and is now as American as, mom, apple pie, and, well, war. Anyone who cares for this town should be against this monstrosity.

And I wholly disagree that war is a part of life we should just accept it. The arms manufacturers might have a job for you in a commercial.

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John September 12, 2014 at 7:52 pm

“John you need to study history with the same cynical partisan glasses I am wearing.”
Phixed that for you. Though I suppose I could have stooped to the same level and suggested it was your ignorance that caused our differing opinions not simply differing opinions.
You’d think people would try something a little more original than this “you need to do the research, Matt!” nonsense.

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Geoff Page Geoff Page September 13, 2014 at 12:15 pm

Odd comment, John. What I said about WWII is documented history. What you said about why the US got into the war has no documentation because it didn’t happen. With, the prejudiced attitude most Americans had about the Jews in the 30s and 40s, do you really think we decided to fight a World War to save some European Jews? So, it’s not a difference of opinion, it is the facts of actual history against and incorrect statement.

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John September 18, 2014 at 12:42 pm

Krystallnacht was well documented as was the treatment of blacks by germany during the 1936 olympics. DO SOME RESEARCH on the fights between Max Schmeling and Joe Louis at Yankee Stadium in New York. PBS did a wonderful special on that. To claim the anti- semetic activities and racist sentiments of the Nazi regime were unknown or had no role in our entry in WW2 would be the only false claim in this discussion. But feel free to discredit yourself. I’m amused.

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Geoff Page Geoff Page September 18, 2014 at 2:25 pm

Krystallnacht happened on two days in 1938. We did not get into a World War over that.

Who said the racist attitude of the Nazis was unknown? I said the actual Holocaust, the extent of what the Nazis actually did, was not discovered until the Allies went into the extermination camps.

Blacks? What are you saying that we went into a World War to defend blacks and Jews? In the 1940s? I beginning to wonder if one of the other comments was correct, that you are just enjoying being contrary, either that or your knowledge of history is really deficient.

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John September 21, 2014 at 10:33 am

If your point is that Americans supported entry into/joined to fight WW2 so that they, corporations or anyone else could make a buck I’m laughing.
No how about because it was the right thing to do.

SaneVoice September 10, 2014 at 3:34 pm

There was the Peace Rock off Sunset Cliffs, but someone stole it.

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Geoff Page Geoff Page September 10, 2014 at 12:58 pm

Holy crap, I just found the details.

http://obcdc.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/OB_Vets_Plaza_Final.pdf

This is a ridiculous expense and completely out of place in OB yet it appears that every OB organization is supporting it. Can anyone explain why OB feels it needs to dedicate ocean frontage to this kind of thing. I’m appalled.

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RIDIiculousmoniker September 10, 2014 at 2:41 pm

Geoff,
Thanks for posting the link. When I meet you, I will give you a free smile. The usual warmongers are now on the wagon & “giddy up” is in the air.
Gentrification
Elite Security neo pseudo fascists
War memorial
What! No cannons at the memorial? How could anyone design a war memorial & not include cannons? Or Howitzers? Or M-16’s? Or “Four Dead in O hio”? What about Nagasaki? What about Hiroshima? Laos? Cambodia? Dresden?
London?
If you are going to build a true war memorial, then I demand that all the wars be included in the memorial; include all the deceased & displaced, all the babies, children, elderly, women & men. I demand pictures of all the destruction from the wars. And it would be nice if the bank statements of the war profiteers were included also. There should be a special marble or granite (warmongers choice) stela dedicated to Major General Smedley Darlington Butler & Gandhi & Martin Luther King, Jr. Oops, sorry, it’s a war memorial.
When all is said & done, & OB has been disfigured by this atrocity, I think I just might mosey on down on Mondays & Wednesday & deposit my bubble gum deep within the engraving. Care to join me?
Cordially,
UnwashedWallmartTHong

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Geoff Page Geoff Page September 10, 2014 at 3:51 pm

Adding the pictures and the bank statements, great ideas. If we are going to have a war memorial, let it at least tell the truth.

If OB is truly going to be, as you put it very well, “disfigured” by this thing, it will ruin that beautiful intersection. I didn’t care for the first phase of this but it wasn’t too obtrusive so I accepted it as one of those many things we have to in order to remain sane. But this new phase will be impossible to ignore. OB should rise up and protest allowing this “memorial” to permanently deface our beautiful ocean front. Put it in Rob Field or anywhere but right there.

The new moniker is much better by the way. I wouldn’t infringe on your free speech rights to use whatever you like, but this is better.

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unwashedwaLLmartTHong September 11, 2014 at 9:28 am

There are three kinds of people who frequent Jungle Java. There are those who ignore the birds, those who feed the birds, & those who shoo the birds. I’ve never seen anyone who feeds the birds shoo the birds. This morning the 8:02 flew overhead to somewhere, & as it did the Annheuser-Busch LLC truck driver started his sparkling Peterbilt tractor & was kind enough to rattle all the dust motes within a one hundred foot radius as the truck idled & while he completed his paperwork. I’ll have to thank him for that next time I see him. Then there were the three guys cleaning the awnings over at the OB Hotel w/ long long handled brushes & hoses. And there were dogs this morning, couple of Labs, a Beagle, and a tiny Schnauzer-Chihuahua mix, I think. Twenty five surfers in the water w/ several shooting the pier. No Elite Security; I guess they don’t wake up that early. A quiet morning.
All we actually need are some jack hammers to shatter the calm. Some group needs to git goin’ on that war memorial quickly before minds are changed. Or perhaps we’ll luck out, & it will take longer to build the war memorial than it did to build the bathrooms over near Brighton.
There’s already a memorial rock right there at the plaza. For seven hundred fifty thousand dollars I think someone on the committee ought to hire the homeless to stand at the rock (or should that be Rock?), and smack people w/ a fly swatter when they don’t cowtow to the Rock. They could be paid in calories per day & be restricted in movement to a several block area in & around Newport Ave., just to keep the job, you know. Of course, no one would be permitted to feed these guardians of the Rock; medical supplies to them would also be restricted.
Once again the intangibles are marched forth w/ shiny black boots w/ large heels for all of visitors to the New War Memorial Plaza to view. Intangibles like honor, remembrance, ultimate sacrifice, are about to march forth in OB. It’s nice how the warmongers integrate the marine theme w/ the war & the dead-from-war theme. The rip-rap is especially nice because it reminds me of Gaza Strip & Fallujah & Beirut, Berlin, Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki. . . .
I don’t like any of it, the design. Go back to the drawing board & actually think about the people in OB, the people who have been murdered by various CEO’s of countries who invade, bomb, instigate unrest. Regardless of the propaganda, nothing honorable lies within war & nothing attractive lies within this superficial plan to glorify that which should not be glorified.

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John September 12, 2014 at 2:21 am

Funny enough that your screed reads of pure, sneering, contemptuous hate. Just the kind of thing that builds into the us vs. them mentality that is essential to nearly every war. At Kent State who first turned to violence to express their point? How many people would take a swing at Nixon if they could? Or Bush?
Kill all those warmongers… LOL.
Reminds me of that license plate on a truck I used to see on Voltaire. “H8H8TRS”. Doesn’t that make him a hater too? Unless he meant something else.
BTW for the most part diesel engine trucks are best left running rather than be started and stopped constantly. So know you know.

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unwashedwaLLmartTHong September 12, 2014 at 9:22 am

How nice of you to end on a Straw Man. Thanks go out to Mr. Rudolf Diesel, a true genius.
Johnnie, the proposed “veterans memorial” is just like the ugly “veterans memorial” on Mt. Soledad; to me they both play out as some unclever verbal legerdemain. One can play the semantics game all day long. Society is now embedded w/ the defence/offence industry; it has been woven through the warp & weft of society’s fabric. The local economy clearly benefits a great deal from the expenditures of the U.S. govorporation as it continues its march for dominance over oil, water, minerals, people.
Unfortunately, there is an us vs. them dichotomy regarding this subject. Should some kind of “improvements” be designed & built at the intersection, then I would prefer the design not include elements that clearly demonstrate a preference for the war-state. Back in the day we resisted the Viet Nam war in many different ways, & for those of us who have read the history surrounding events within the govorporation, we find the atrocities are much more numerous than once believed. Nick Turse wrote “Kill Anything That Moves.”
How many tons of ordnance were dropped on Laos? During WWII, who did Standard Oil sell fuel to? Just the Allies?
And just for the record, I am a pacifist, & I’ll kick anyone’s ass who tries to tell me differently. Remember, Johnnie, there’s a fist in pacifist.

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Geoff Page Geoff Page September 12, 2014 at 10:19 am

A few people in the crowd at Kent State that day threw some rocks. The response was a barrage of bullets that killed college students, none of whom were proven to have been rock throwers. And you think the students were the same as warmongers? Unbelievable. And just because someone would like to take a swing at Nixon or Bush that makes them the same as warmongers? Unbelievable.

And BTW, modern truck diesel engines do not have to be running all the time, they stop and start quite efficiently. And even if this were still true, they surely don’t need to be kept running EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME.

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John September 12, 2014 at 8:30 pm

You forgot the part about rioting the whole weekend including lighting fires in buildings and attacking the fire dept. when they came to put them out. I know the whole series of events please don’t patronize me by describing the event as a few rocks being thrown.
Even if thats all it was let me see you stand in front of a crowd throwing rocks at you. Its called a stoning and people get killed that way.
As for diesel trucks yeah whatever. Once theyre warmed up and running you dont shut them off for 5 minutes just to restart them. Ask any trucker.

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RIDiculousmoniker September 12, 2014 at 11:48 pm

Yea, what a red herring this diesel thing has become.
John, the truck was off while the guy delivered beer kegs.
John, the guy started the truck when the street was quiet right near Jungle Java.
John, the guy let the truck idle for maybe 8 minutes while he did his paperwork, then he drove away. It was quiet again. Until–
John, across the street was a Coors Light truck delivering beer, & it was parked in front of Gallagher’s. The guy delivered kegs of beer, started the truck & drove away & the street was quiet again. That’s it, no more. No one here has dissected the merits of the diesel engine.
And on a lighter note, the pattern manifests thus: a war generates veterans; veterans receive memorials; then another war comes along & more veterans are generated; then more memorials are erected. Do you see the pattern?
War–>veterans–>memorials–>war–>veterans–>memorials–>war–>
veterans–>memorials–>war–>veterans–>memorials
There is a circularity to it, isn’t there? It’s sort of like your mind when it’s thinking of a cuppa coffee. First, the test pattern, then the pictures; starbucks within a starbucks within a starbucks within a starbucks within a starbucks within a starbucks within a starbucks within a starbucks within a starbucks within a starbucks.
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John September 18, 2014 at 12:08 pm

So how long have you been STALKING BEER TRUCK DRIVERS and paying attention to every minute detail of their activities? Really this level of description you provide is pretty creepy. Why don’t you just go on about your own business and not be so nosy?

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Geoff Page geoff page September 13, 2014 at 11:09 am

I wasn’t patronizing you, but since you demonstrated such a lack of knowledge about history in your comment about why we got into WWII, I assumed you also did not know anything about Kent State, but with Google handy between when I posted and this, I’m sure you caught up a little. Yes there was violence from the other side. But, who was responsible for what happened? When you throw fuel on a fire it burns more intensely. Instead of trying to handle the matter peacefully, they brought out the National Guard, a group traditionally made up of former military and wannabe military and men who just want the extra money and a chance to get away from home, all of who love to shoot guns. They opened fire with real bullets on a gathering of people they inflamed by their presence and they were not answering gunfire. Sorry, but history is not on the side of those who fired.

I don’t need to talk to any trucker, I was an equipment operator for years and have had a long career in the construction business. Perhaps you should talk to some truckers.

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John September 18, 2014 at 12:16 pm

” they brought out the National Guard, a group traditionally made up of former military and wannabe military and men who just want the extra money and a chance to get away from home, all of who love to shoot guns.”

That’s a bizarre portrayal of young americans who lacked the financial ability to stay in college and avoid the draft. Is that what you really think is the only reason people join the guard or the military? Don’t you think it’s more because it’s a way to get a job and get out of the parent’s house when you’re 18?
It was for me and in four years in the Navy I never got to shoot a gun- except for off base with the one I owned.
In fact if all one wants to do is shoot guns the military is decidedly NOT the place to do so. Just live in the boonies.

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Geoff Page Geoff Page September 18, 2014 at 2:03 pm

Once again, John, read. Read up on the National Guard. One of the most famous members who wanted to avoid the draft was George Bush and he had connections, but he is an example of what I described. It was extremely difficult to get into the Guard during Viet Nam; it wasn’t full of poor boys who “lacked the financial ability to avoid the draft.” The college deferment ended in 1971. The Guard is only a part-time gig so it isn’t much of a job.

So you never shot a gun in the Navy, so what? The Navy doesn’t issue firearms to everyone in that service. What was your job?

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John September 21, 2014 at 10:42 am

Every person who ever joined the NG can now be portrayed as george w. bush. How convenient.
Bush was a commissioned officer. This has no relevance to kids who joined the guard for a job.
Bush was a pilot. This has no relevance to kids called to keep the peace.
Isn’t that bizarre. Keep the peace. This may be the saddest part of the whole affair though:
They thought somehow their rage and anger would be felt by nixon. CSN & Y wrote “tin soldiers and nixon’s coming.”
Nixon wasn’t coming. It was americans just like them.

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Geoff Page Geoff Page September 13, 2014 at 12:37 pm

I wasn’t patronizing you, it was just that your comment about why you believe this country got into WWII demonstrated the lack of a firm grasp of history. There was violence in the days before and the rioting the night before. But, as I wrote, on the day of the shootings, some people threw rocks at the National Guard who returned with a volley of real bullets, despite not having been fired upon, and killed, paralyzed, and wounded kids. Sure people can get killed by stones, but which one travels further and is more deadly? How far did the Guard have to back up to be safe?

Do you really know who first turned to violence at Kent State? I don’t know how old you are but I’m 63 and I can tell you that cops in those days did not like long haired hippies and cops had far fewer restraints on their behavior back then. Do you really know who first turned to violence at Kent State?

As for diesel engines, I operated construction machinery for many years and have a long history in the construction business, I don’t need to talk to any truckers but perhaps you do.

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unwashedwaLLmartTHong September 13, 2014 at 2:47 pm

Geoff,
Methinks he’s a bit of a troll trawling for trouble, this Johnnie, he is.
Note how the conversation veered from the war memorial to Kent State & diesel engines.
May I paraphrase Groucho Marx?
If it’s a war memorial, I’m against it.
(If I were a woman, I would quote Margaret Dumont)

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John September 18, 2014 at 12:31 pm

Ah yes when all else fails go for the ad hominem personal attack.
If one were assessing a propensity for trolling the mere selection of your username speaks volumes- what better way to disrupt a discussion than a name suggesting outrageous filth and perversion?
No, my disagreement with you does not make me a troll. Your stooping to ad hominem arguments just makes you a poor debator.
I will leave this discussion by simply reiterating this is not a WAR memorial or celebration of war but a memorial to the VETERANS- the common man who goes where he is sent in the belief it is his duty to protect the way of life we are all accustomed to. It is far beyond the scope of his abilities to change the violent nature of mankind and while discussion of these human faults has a place and time I don’t feel veterans memorials are the appropriate venue. How about the Presidential Libraries of Johnson or Reagan or Bush or whoever you feel was responsible for starting one?

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Debbie September 12, 2014 at 8:13 am

Will bikes and skateboards be prohibited from this area?

What is the plan for funds for upkeep and maintenance? ie Remove bird poop, gum, graffiti, dirt and make repairs

How many benches will be in this area?

Mimic Sunset cliffs…couldn’t we honor our vets by fixing up Sunset Cliffs $750,000 would be a good start.

You know this project will go over budget or get scaled back or not get completed …like the entry way…….just saying

A garden of peace would be more welcomed. No disrespect to the vets. Will vets be hired to build this project and maintain it if it actually comes to life?

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Wireless Mike September 12, 2014 at 1:40 pm

I find it ironic that a monument to war would be located in a community that has traditionally advocated for peace. Instead, couldn’t we pay tribute to our veterans by helping provide food, shelter and timely health care to those veterans who cannot provide it for themselves? Maybe even allow the VFW post canteen back into the neighborhood?

This community should be able to find a better way to say “Thank you for your service” than with a wall of fake rocks.

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Debbie September 12, 2014 at 1:47 pm

Agreed!

Frank, can you put up a poll on this one?

Enjoy the heat this weekend :-)

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Geoff Page Geoff Page September 12, 2014 at 2:14 pm

Wireless Mike, I agree with your comments but I would not use the word “ironic” to describe the situation and I’m not picking on your word choice. To me, ironic would be putting the names of cities and communities all over the county into a hat, in order to pick a spot for a war memorial lottery style, and drawing OB. That didn’t happen, the decision to have this in OB is very deliberate making it something other than ironic.

What is ironic is that it seems every organization in OB is backing this thing. That tells me one of two things, either OB has changed wholesale from its peace oriented history, which I do not believe, or worse, the people representing OB in these organizations don’t really represent OB.

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gristmiller September 13, 2014 at 1:06 pm

Agreed!

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RIDIiculousmoniker September 12, 2014 at 4:33 pm

Once the flag has been wrapped around a project, it is rather difficult to slow or stop its course. Some vets are in a very tough situation if they have been adversely affected by their service in the armed forces. Heck, the U.S. govorporation has a tough time running a VA hospital, so how could they serve so many people throughout the nation? The VA/govorporation can’t serve them, so they erect monuments in their “honor” to make themselves feel better, especially after seeing so many maimed & mutilated & handicapped vets return from Afghanistan & Iraq. Bridges, highways, streets–many are named for U.S. vets. I think Fletcher Parkway in La Mesa has been dubbed Veterans Highway or something similar.
Maybe we can peel away the flag from those already on the warwagon, & perhaps we can convince people on the opposition (those who favor a more neutral improvement to the area) to coalesce around this issue. If it’s built, it will be in OB for a very long time, & there may be a group of disgruntled in the neighborhood. I’d say we could cut the cost in half w/ a redesign. And when you look at the design, you will see that a view of the ocean is blocked by walls in one section facing west.
We love the ocean, & they are cutting the view, blocking if off, stifling our character.
It appears that the OBCDC has already held meetings regarding this construction. Sounds like it’s time to voice our voices louder. Once again it’s the right trying to mow down the left, roll over us w/ war monuments.
Be careful; once the flag is peeled away, there may be machine guns under there.
unwashedwallMartTHONG

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Geoff Page Geoff Page September 12, 2014 at 4:44 pm

Two comments.

I’m not worried about machine guns under there, if I was I would not have spoken up at all. Nor would you have.

There won’t be a redesign and one isn’t needed. If they can’t have a memorial, they will go away and the little park area will remain as it is, which is just fine with me. If there is opposition out there, it needs to be heard.

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unwashedwallmartThong September 12, 2014 at 5:42 pm

The machine guns are metaphorical.
Just to suborn the left, some element of the right will step in w/ money.
Truly, without a doubt, cutting off a view of the ocean w/ a seven foot wall is sacrilege. If the wall is to “mimic Sunset Cliffs,” then it ought not to be built because Sunset Cliffs does not obscure the view of the ocean.
And just to be a bit nit-picky tonight regarding the plans posted on OBCDC website, “concept” is not spelled “concpet.” Also, it is L I F E G U A R D.
Done. G’night.

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Michael September 24, 2014 at 9:08 pm

Happy Head Foot Reflexology and Massage is not a weed shop and should be retracted from this article. It is a massage center.

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