Originally posted Nov. 13, 2018
By Geoff Page
I was on a road trip in October and somewhere in Northern California I tuned into a public radio station interviewing a journalist who had written a long piece in the New Yorker about Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg. The piece is titled “Can Mark Zuckerberg Fix Facebook Before It Breaks Democracy?” and it was written by Evan Osnos. They began to discuss the 2016 Presidential election and I was blown away by what I heard.
Here is the part that turned me off to Facebook.
Facebook offered to “embed” employees, for free, in Presidential campaign offices to help them use the platform effectively. Clinton’s campaign said no. Trump’s said yes, and Facebook employees helped his campaign craft messages. Although Trump’s language was openly hostile to ethnic minorities, inside Facebook his behavior felt, to some executives, like just part of the distant cesspool of Washington. Americans always seemed to be choosing between a hated Republican and a hated Democrat, and Trump’s descriptions of Mexicans as rapists was simply an extension of that.
During the campaign, Trump used Facebook to raise two hundred and eighty million dollars. Just days before the election, his team paid for a voter-suppression effort on the platform. According to Bloomberg Businessweek, it targeted three Democratic constituencies—“idealistic white liberals, young women, and African Americans”—sending them videos precisely tailored to discourage them from turning out for Clinton. Theresa Hong, the Trump campaign’s digital-content director, later told an interviewer, “Without Facebook we wouldn’t have won.”
“Without Facebook we wouldn’t have won.” Let that sink in for a moment. So, Facebook donated free employees to Trump’s campaign and helped him win. Why?
There are plenty of companies out there now that specialize in managing social media for businesses, politicians, sports figures, anyone who needs it and either doesn’t understand social media or doesn’t have the time to deal with it. Instead of paying for one of these companies, Trump had Facebook itself do the work – for FREE.
The companies that manage social media as a business have sources of information to do what they do. But, can you imagine the difference between the resources of a private company and the resources of the people who created Facebook and work there? We already know that Facebook is guilty of providing our information to others, just think of what they made available to Trump. Why would a private company like Facebook provide this free help? The answer was in the paragraph that preceded the two quoted above.
“The 2016 election was supposed to be good for Facebook. That January, Sheryl Sandberg told investors that the election would be ‘a big deal in terms of ad spend,’ comparable to the Super Bowl and the World Cup. According to Borrell Associates, a research and consulting firm, candidates and other political groups were on track to spend $1.4 billion online in the election, up ninefold from four years earlier.”
Yep, money. So, for money, they helped elect the idiot in the White House who has been actively destroying this country ever since he was sworn in.
Once I heard this, I knew I could no longer be a part of Facebook. The damage they have contributed will affect us all for many, many years. The morning of the election I stared at the TV and all I could think of was the Supreme Court and the judgeships that would change this country. We’ve already seen that with the supreme court but what is not on everyone’s radar are all the lower courts. Read Dark Money by Jane Mayer late at night with just a small light on, it will scare the shit out of you like a great thriller. The bad part is it is all coming true.
Deleting my account was harder than I thought it would be because it was how I was keeping up with old friends. But, I decided this was something I could not ignore just because it was uncomfortable, so I deleted. I plan to write a letter to Congress asking them to investigate Facebook’s involvement in the election. At a minimum, their assistance amounted to an illegal campaign contribution. At most, it amounted to meddling in a Presidential election for business purposed, or, perhaps more?
If you want to read the article, go here.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/09/17/can-mark-zuckerberg-fix-facebook-before-it-breaks-democracy
FB, never have never will.
Facebook,
never have,
never will.
Fuck ’em.
Illuminating. I deactivated, not just logged out- but deactivated, my FB account about 4 yrs ago. Then about two years ago I had a message from FB asking me if I had logged on from Moscow and, if not, that I should change my password. My FB hacked, from Russia, after being “deactivated” for at least two years?!
But more importantly, how does someone log on to a supposedly deactivated account? I then had to go back on FB, log in, change my password, and then deactivate it again…at which point FB asked specifically if I didn’t want to just “log off” instead… that was the end of any trust factor for me.
FB, like so many other entities in our culture now, is simply too big to be trusted. Not only do I not know what they’re doing, I’m not sure they know, either. No thanks.
You might want to actually delete the account. Not the same thing as simply deactivating.
I have often thought that progressives should be boycotting FB. Quitting FB is like stopping beef consumption. You think that you might miss it, but you’ll end up feeling a lot better without it.
yep, thx Chris, I’ve thought about it :-). As mentioned in the article, there are many things about FB that I, too, miss- contact w/ old friends, shared photo albums etc. and I guess that’s why I opted for what I thought was a “deep freeze”, thinking I might someday “thaw it out”. And tbh, I don’t really care if someone wants to hack my FB…welcome to my photos and my previous soapbox :-). But I DO care that FB engages in (partisan) activity that isn’t transparent. Geez, is there any vestige of life left that ISN’T partisan these days? Ack, will my choice of breakfast cereal be the next thing to be politicized? :-) I endorse Jan’s perspective, and I now especially, based on this article’s disclosure, feel I made the right choice 4 yrs ago. Use the phone, send email attachments, connect in other ways. As Jan says, eventually you’ll be glad you did :-)
And, today, read the stories about Facebook and what it has done to George Soros.
Jane Mayer’s “Dark Money” is an outstanding read.
And several years later, here is a new, very scary piece on Facebook and the elections:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/26/with-facebook-we-are-already-through-the-looking-glass
Posting on FB is the functional equivalent of not wearing a mask in public. It doesn’t expose us to biological contagion but to the demise of the remaining democratic principles we have left
Wonderful to see so many in the no FB cohort. I also never have never will.Always saw Zuckerberg as a cunning predator.
I also don’t do Amazon or shop at WalMart. Join me? For those like me who buy books online, a good alternative to Amazon is thriftbooks.com, where you order $10 worth, shipping is free.
I usually use Better World Books.
I learned in second grade to not believe everything I heard or read, especially from newspapers and politicians and used-car salesmen. It seems to me that Facebook is no different, but like other media outlets (like OBRag for instance) there is useful data mixed in with the BS.
I’ve been a long time FB user in order to see some news from children and local PL community. There are lots of whiners, but also lots of local info that I probably would have missed otherwise (like sunset viewing at CNM ! ). And, in spite of whatever it is you’re complaining about, I DID NOT vote for Trump in 2016.
If people are voting for Trump due to a few obviously bogus FB posts, then we need to hire some more cynical second-grade teachers to teach kids (i.e. incipient voters) to take what they hear and read with a large grain of salt. After all, free speech doesn’t guarantee credible speech.
Lyle, you wrote “And, in spite of whatever it is you’re complaining about…” You either did not read the piece or you missed the whole point. This was it:
Theresa Hong, the Trump campaign’s digital-content director, later told an interviewer, “Without Facebook we wouldn’t have won.”
Facebook donated its own employees to help the t-rump campaign – for free.
Without Facebook:
1. The courts would not be full of conservative judges and Supreme Court Justices for years to come.
2. The Clean Air and Clean Water Acts would not have been gutted.
3. The Affordable Care Act would not be virtually ruined.
4. We would not look like fools around the world.
5. We would not be fighting China.
6. Racism would not have been inflamed for political gain.
7. The Koch brothers and their ilk would not be running the country.
I could go on and on. That was the point, Lyle.
Hmm. I did read your comments and agreed with them. I think instead of saying “whatever you’re complaining about” I should have said “all these manipulative things they did”.
My point was that they did not make me vote for Trump, as evidenced by the fact that I didn’t vote for Trump even though I was exposed to Facebooks wily ways. So I have to question if they couldn’t convince me, how did they convince all those other folks ?
And of course I totally support your decision to leave Facebook, and other peoples choice to never start with them.
Well, Lyle, my guess is they didn’t convince you because you can think for yourself. There is a vast multitude who either do not have the ability to do that , or. more probably, are too lazy and prefer someone else tell them what to do. All I can say is the quote from the campaign manager said it for me. Having watched Zuckerberg and Facebook ever since, I’m convinced they are friends of the orange-haired one.
Got off FB 4 years ago. TBH, though, Zuck could care less about US use. The real $$$ is from international expansion.
While that may well be true, Tyler, countries all over the world are also very unhappy with FB because of its refusal to police content. It has become a useful tool for anti-government groups everywhere. If FB’s bullshit got t-rump elected in the US, imagine how other governments look at it now.
I had to resurrect this (EXCELLENT) article to officially add Twitter to my list of social media platforms that I am now boycotting. I cannot stand hypocrites like Elon Musk. Considering today’s news, I have the feeling that I am not the only one making this decision.
I had an unused Twitter account for years that I only began using earlier this year when the cycling nuts came after me. Twitter has been an interesting experience, much of it very good. I may have encountered more of the bad than some folks because the things I comment about run counter to what some people want to hear. And they do not resort to intelligent discussion, to put it politely. So, it has been more of a positive experience than bad.
But, when I read about Musk suspending the accounts of journalists, and the kinds of journalists that were suspended, I realized this was just like talk radio all over again. Anyone remember the days of talk show hosts who were centrists or liberals? All gone in place of human scum like Rush Limbaugh. Why? $$$$$. This is no different, the money is in being right wing and this is a business.
All the suspensions meant for me was that Musk is taking his business in a direction that will make it like the right wing talk shows I did not listen to. I’m going to wait a couple of days to see if Musk sticks to this direction. If he does, the cycling community will rejoice as my account disappears.
I’m commenting on my old story to bring it up again for everyone. Anyone still using any Meta products – Facebook, Instagram, What’s App – after the Supreme Court ruling today about t-rump’s immunity, should be ashamed of themselves. Facebook got t-rump elected. We have the Supreme Court we do because of Facebook. Hold Zuckerberg responsible and dump all Meta products, it is the very least anyone can do.
I’m dragging this story from 2018 forward with a comment. If you read what Mark Zuckerberg wrote in letter to Republicans in today’s news, I don’t see how you can continue using his products Facebook, Instagram, and Whatsapp products.
One of these should work.
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/4850810-house-republicans-meta-pressure/
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/27/media/mark-zuckerberg-election-season-republicans/index.html
https://www.vox.com/technology/369136/zuckerberg-letter-facebook-censorship-biden
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/27/zuckerbergs-new-washington-game-00176527
Well Geoff, I for one didn’t buy his bullshit reasoning for starting FB when he switched from selling porn to ‘social media’ which, if you think about it, is arguably just as bad!
I have always been one of those weirdo Never FaceBlech people. Used to get asked how I could live without it. I just couldn’t see the attraction.
Also a Never Amazon guy, and you will find me extremely rarely in Walmart and that’s almost always to buy a couple hundred pounds of dog food to bring home when it gets low….
Never had (or will have) a cell phone. Never used or had a debit card. I do have a microwave oven out in the shop but never in the house kitchen because I actually like the taste of cooked food.
Oh, and I threw the television set out in 1993. I do, however, have a house full of books & a Music Room full of instruments, and hundreds each of vinyl & cassette & cds, and maybe 6,000 vhs & dvd movies…
I have been called weird by more than a few people… Ahahahahaha.
And here is lightbulb head complaining about Biden officials wanting censor power about Covid on his site. Did that include Trump on injecting bleach or using horse de-wormer or stuffing a high-intensity light up your rear orifice to kill the virus???
FaceBlech complaining of censorship…from a guy who publicly stated that anything posting on HIS SITE was therefore HIS PERSONAL PROPERTY.
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Yea, I can see how some would call you a weirdo, seal. I agree with some of this but not all.
I was on Facebook for a couple of years and I found it useful to connect with old friends in other parts of the world. The product is not a problem if used right. It’s the owner that is the problem. I also tried NextDoor that turned out to be run by fascists. And, I was on Twitter and I found it also useful for many things. Again, the owner is the problem. I dropped Twitter the day after Musk endorsed t-rump.
The cellphone I do not get. It is my lifeline to my family and that is the main thing that matters to me. I don’t see a problem having one.
I love the microwave, I don’t see a problem with that.
How do you watch 6,000 vhs & dvd movies without a TV? And, isn’t that abut the same as watching TV? How do you watch football, man?!
Amazon I do use and I find it very helpful. Yes, it has harmed others but it is the wave of the future. Walmart I have never used because of what they did to al the little cities and companies in this country. And because of their reliance on employees collecting benefits to make up for what Walmart did not provide.
Ha, Geoff! But at least I’m certainly not the kind of ‘weirdo’ that the MAGA-GOP has now been tagged with recently, eh? That would be terribly embarrassing!!
As for FaceBlech, it was actually based on a copied platform design called Tribe.net that was already in use pre-2004 when Zuckerberg switched from porn and started FB. Tribe.net was how we (the concert crew folks in NorCal) kept in touch with one another in the off-season which really helped with keeping track of staff and volunteers crews when it came to knowing who was going to show up to work at what concert. It was nice knowing what to expect before you headed off to the next concert job. I worked years on multiple venues during the summer music season in NorCal, and it was a big help.
The original Tribe.net was very de-centralized and not full of the crap FB became. And yes, FB did kill Tribe.net though there is a Euro gaming site now called that. Never been on Twitter because I don’t want to be a twit, or Instagram etc etc.
With an online shop I had to have a computer starting with Windows 98 back in the late 90s. And I was forced a couple years ago to drop dial-up internet and Windows XP because both quit being accessible when my shop was upgraded by the old webmaster. Couldn’t even find my own email! Now I’m being told that Win 10 is about to get sidelined…
As for cellphones, they were supposedly for emergencies, remember when? Then the telecommunications corporations realized just how easily addicted people could become, hired psychologists to investigate, and now I’ve had people quite literally run into me walking down the street because they were looking down. I read an article a while back cataloguing the number of car accidents due to that and, bluntly, it turns out people really can’t chew gum and walk at the same time when it comes to driving and talking. Phone-caused accidents passed drunk driving accidents at that point, too, the article stated. I have a basket on my porch for people who come over to visit…expressly for cell phones because I can’t think of anything much ruder than being in a conversation or watching a movie or playing music or in a Kenpo Karate lesson, whatever, and having the person visiting literally ignore you to answer and start an inane useless conversation chattering on about mostly nothing as if you weren’t there waiting. Absolutely annoying behavior.
It’s always been very strange to me to see people get…itchy because their cell phone isn’t on them. Perfect example of addiction!!! Talk about being weird. Schools are now starting to ban them from classrooms I’ve also read recently, even locally.
Read also that psychologists are also ‘advising’ parents to NOT let their children have a cell phone until 16…
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The movies I have are watched on a screen, silly boy, because not all screens are TVs! No Wifi, satellite, or cable in my homes, just landline DSL for the computer. Been collecting flicks for…maybe 40 years or more. A majority are VHS but dvds are starting to catch up. And it became worse when I started helping out a friend who owned a local 2nd hand in 2009 as her ‘fix-it’ guy because I had 1st picks on items coming into the store. Like movies!
As for missing football and all other millionaire/corporate-owned sports, never been interested. Never been to a football game, basketball, hockey, but I did go to a Padres game back in the late 70s at San Diego Stadium because ZZ TOP was playing afterwards and we wanted to spread a blanket close to the stage! I did, however, play real Futbol a bit at PB Jr High (you know, where players actually use their feed?) but that was the extent of my adult-regulated sports experience because I would rather be reading a book if I had nothing better to be doing. Plus I lived a hundred yards from the ocean for the first half of my life and guess where I was every single day? HA! I tend to not be a passive absorber of inane garbage from a screen.
As if the Beverly Hillbillies, Gilligan’s Island, and then Married With Children was somehow culturally significant??? And now they still have re-runs?? A-hahahaha
Which is why I like the OB Rag because it IS even if I don’t live on my birth beach and can only read about it from afar!
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Microwave food sucks. Eewww. On par with junk-fast food which I also don’t eat. I’d rather cook. It is, however, good for making fresh hot tea in winter when I’m sewing snow gear and it’s snowing outside when I don’t want to put on boots and coat to run to the house to heat water. That’s sensible, yes?
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Yep I’ll agree with you that Amazon is the wave of the future. Pretty bleak future, dude! I’d have to compare it to maybe the Indonesian tsunami of 2004 I think… Monopolized corporate control of all aspects of life will continue to narrow down to fewer and fewer owners, even more than it is today, in the very near future.
It’s just like banks merging or swallowing the smaller players, ya know? Eventually there will be one bank I’m guessing. The promise of Capitalism and the end result is only one ‘choice?’ I’m guessing that is true freedom…from the bother of having to make any choices!!
And honestly, why shouldn’t there be only ONE store everybody has to buy from? Since it all comes from China anyway… heh heh heh.
Now that is cynical but you have to admit it also has irony in the thought!
About to hit 90’F again today. Time to let the dogs in.
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