Saratoga Addition on Project Review Agenda – Wed., March 15th

by on March 14, 2017 · 29 comments

in Culture, Environment, Ocean Beach

The Project Review Committee, a sub-committee of the Ocean Beach Planning Board, has one project before it at its upcoming meeting on Wednesday, March 15th.

It’s a permit application to build a 918 square foot residence over a garage at 4925 Saratoga Avenue.

The 3500 square foot lot has an 800 square foot residence on it already, which was just recently rehabbed. The garage is 730 square feet allowing a 2 tandem 2 car garage.  The proposed gross flood area, according to the agenda, is 1,648 square feet. The proposed floor-area-ratio is 0.70.

The Project Review panel will meet at 6pm at the OB Recreation Center, 4726 Santa Monica Ave.

Here’s the official agenda for the Project Review sub-committee of the OB Planning Board:

{ 29 comments… read them below or add one }

OB Mercy March 14, 2017 at 3:05 pm

We live in the adjacent building directly to the west. Why is there no mention that this is being used as a STVR?? And we live in the rear unit, so this would directly affect our daily lives as we work from home and our work room faces this. Every week we have someone new staying there making all sorts of noise because they’re on vacation. They took out an enormous tree that shaded our kitchen and now our shades are closed all the time. STVR are illegal and I’ll be at this meeting tomorrow night to voice my concern. The owner is also very rude. NIMBY!!


Frank Gormlie March 14, 2017 at 3:44 pm

OB Mercy – I had heard rumors to that effect, but it is true, then?


OB Mercy March 14, 2017 at 5:26 pm

There is no garage there now at all!!! They took it out when the rehabbed the property! So what the hell are they talking about??

I will be vociferous about this B.S. tomorrow night!


Frank Gormlie March 15, 2017 at 11:07 am

OB Mercy – that could have been a mis-read of the agenda by me. Like you said, there is definitely no garage there now, so the permit must be to build the garage too.

Thanks for bringing our attention to this, and look for an update real soon.


Parking March 14, 2017 at 6:00 pm

Does anyone know how many parking spots are required in this zone for 2 homes?


lyle March 15, 2017 at 11:23 am

How many parking spots are required for 20 residents ? The existing bldg is advertised for 10 people, so I assume that number would double.


OB Mercy March 15, 2017 at 11:43 am

Yep Lyle…just what I was thinking. If it’s built then we will have anywhere from 10-20 people partying 10 feet from our bedroom window. NOT ACCEPTABLE!


Debbie March 14, 2017 at 6:05 pm

Just curious, did the owner ever live in this property or was it bought to market as STVR? fYI Mar 25, 2015 Sold (Public Records) Public Records $595,000


Sue March 14, 2017 at 6:34 pm

I live and own a home down the street. The owner never lived there, it was being remodel for months maybe a year. If he did it was for a very short time!? I cannot be at this meeting but wish to register my objection to this proposal as well as the STVR use currently happening there!


OB Mercy March 14, 2017 at 6:53 pm

I don’t know Debbie. When I moved in 2 and a half years ago, that family was living in there, then they were evicted to make way for the STVR.


kh March 14, 2017 at 11:43 pm

2 bedroom, sleeps 10!


OB Mercy March 15, 2017 at 10:14 am

Thanks SO much for posting this kh! I will print out and bring to meeting tonight!


Frank Gormlie March 15, 2017 at 11:13 am

The aerial photo from google maps above is dated. The large tree in the backyard was chopped down. And whatever building in the backyard that once existed, is also gone.


OB Mercy March 15, 2017 at 11:49 am

Yes, tree was removed and took away any shade we had for our kitchen. We now have to keep our shades closed all the time. It sucks.

And yes, they DID take down the garage that was in the back, so he must be petitioning to get the garage AND the new unit built on top of it. 10 feet from our bedroom window!!!

So now, there can be anywhere from 10-20 people partying in the backyard that would become even smaller if the new units are allowed to be built!


Frank Gormlie March 15, 2017 at 12:08 pm

Please see update:


SaneVoice March 15, 2017 at 1:35 pm

So if you do alil detective work on the VRBO listing, the owner also has a place in North PB on Yost Place. Apparently the owner’s name is Todd Schak.

There’s also phone contact info on this page for the other property.

Perhaps he’d like to do an interview with you, Frank ?


kh March 15, 2017 at 1:58 pm

Can we try and play dumb at the meeting and see if the applicant lies about its purpose, before outing him?


OB Mercy March 15, 2017 at 5:26 pm

That’s what I’ll be doing…waiting…and then outing if need be.


Blake March 15, 2017 at 2:18 pm

OB Mercy, we are getting together a task force on this issue and are looking for data on STVRs which displace OB residents. Can you elaborate at all on “that family” and what in particular you know?


OB Mercy March 15, 2017 at 5:27 pm

I’m friends with them on Facebook. They lived out of their van for quite a time after, but they wanted to. Personally, I think they couldn’t afford to move with 3 young children, they now have 4. I’m not going to out them unless I would ask first.


SaneVoice March 15, 2017 at 2:33 pm

I hope someone at the meeting tonight brings up the lying owners who committed fraud regarding the project at Voltaire and Abbott who stated they would be living there, but turned it into an AirBnB


OB Mercy March 15, 2017 at 5:28 pm

Not sure this has anything to do with tonight’s meeting, but I’ll be bringing up the whole short term rental thing if I’m able to.


kh March 15, 2017 at 11:25 pm

No shit? Are you talking about Three on Abbott? That guy really shined on the community about his intentions. I’ve been to meetings where applicants dodge those questions from the board, then I’ve talked to them right after the meeting in person and they tell me it’s gonna be a STVR.


SaneVoice March 16, 2017 at 9:31 am

That’s the one. I couldn’t remember the name of the project. But I recall reading they sat there in the meetings stating they planned to live there themselves and they were going to rent out the other properties to residents. Everyone fawned over them, that the project looked great with it’s modular design, off-street parking. They basically lied thru their teeth and should be sued for fraud, in my opinion.

Perfect timing that Forbes just released a list of the cities that are worst for renters. San Diego came in second behind Miami.


Debbie March 15, 2017 at 6:36 pm

If SaneVoice is correct on ownership, check this link

It provides this email address:, it also gives a license no. 519890 and when you look this up on CA RE license the license shows expired and the name appears as Giuliano, John Dale



OB Dude March 16, 2017 at 3:13 am

MARCH 15, 2017 – San Diego City Attorney Mara Elliott has issued a memorandum of law advising the City Council and Mayor that short-term vacation rentals (STVR) are illegal in the city’s residential zones.

For more info go to


OB Mercy March 16, 2017 at 7:55 am

Yep, got the memo just before I left for the mtg. It was great timing.

One of the board members is a lawyer and when he saw it, he made the recommendation to put the project before the full board in May. He said they’re already running an illegal biz and assume the proposed addition will be the same.

The owner of the project had sent his brother and his architect with the proposed building plans. They never mentioned the front house was currently being used as a STVR. But one of the board members knew, I think from reading my post in the Rag here and then of course, I had proof when I brought their listing of the property from VRBO (Vacation rental by owner web site). BUSTED!!

We will REALLY need locals to show up that first Wed in May to show support!


Frank Gormlie March 16, 2017 at 9:26 am

Thanks so much for the update. Couldn’t make the meeting – was at another meeting-. Anyway you could do a summary in the more recent post?


Gary Wonacott March 16, 2017 at 4:41 pm

I ould like to come to your next board meeting and talk about a plan that we have put together that puts a lot of controls on STRs. It would incorporate a requirement for a permit and there were be fines that would allow us to hire a code compliance officer for MB that would end up revenue neutral.


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