The Best Idea: Neither Biden nor Trump

by on September 7, 2023 · 24 comments

in Election, Ocean Beach

Colleen O’Connor’s views are her own and do not necessarily reflect those of the OB Rag.

By Colleen O’Connor

In December of last year, I posted a prediction: “Neither Biden nor Trump will be elected the U.S. President in 2024.”

I stand by those postings.  Now some very prominent politicians and strategists are beginning to agree. New Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu said, “there’s a ‘good shot’ neither Biden nor Trump will be on the 2024 ballot.”

Add Senator, Tim Kaine (D-Va.) who declared that there is a “powerful argument” to be made that the 14th Amendment disqualifies former President Trump from even running in 2024.

Enter GOP Presidential candidate, Nikki Haley who argued: “The American people are not going to vote for a convicted criminal. The American people are going to vote for someone who can win a general election,” Haley, 51, said. “I have faith in the American people. They know what they need to do.”

Don’t believe her?  Look at more polls.


A majority of voters know the weaknesses of both men.  And do not want a 2024 rematch.

·         Sununu, himself,  cited a recent poll from The Associated Press that found that 69% of Democrats think Biden is “too old to be effective for four more years.”

·         This follows a recent poll that suggests 75% and 69% of U.S. adults wouldn’t like to see either Biden or Trump, respectively, run for president.

·         AP-NORAC. “Three-fourths of US adults say: “Biden is too old for a second term” and Trump is too “corrupt.”

·         A Politico Ipso poll (  shows both Biden and Trump with big “unfavorable ratings.

o   Donald Trump. Favorable 27%. Unfavorable 58%.

o   Joe Biden.  Favorable 36%.  Unfavorable 45%.

·         And a  Marquette Law School poll found last month that 54 percent of “somewhat liberal” and 55 percent of “very liberal” voters did not want Biden to seek reelection.

·         Then there is today’s [9-7-23] CNN poll.  “Among Democrats, the poll discovered that 67 percent would like to see the party nominate someone other than Biden — which is up from the 54 percent who said the same in March)!

It’s a story we have seen before (amid a re-run ad nauseam) with very few people eager to watch again.

70% of all Americans — including 51% of Democrats — believe Biden should not run for a second term.  60% say Trump should not run.

Both men are seriously bruised.  And Americans want no more of the same vitriol and chaos.

Voters are neither stupid nor blinded by photo ops and tweets.  They face reality every day at the gas pump, the grocery store, the rent bills, the homeless on their streets, the flash mob/cartel paid muggers shutting down stores and gun violence mayhem writ large.

So Now What Choices Do Voters Have?

A third party.  Senator Manchin is leading that charge.  Highly unlikely to be anything more than a bargaining chip or threat.

Prove Trump is ineligible under the 14th amendment over allegations that he violated the 14th Amendment due to his actions around the riot at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021.

However, this requires secretaries of state, state election officials, and members of Congress to “disqualify” Trump from holding any public office.  No problem with “blue” states, but a non-starter with GOP strongholds.  Add the U.S. Supreme Court and it looks like a dead duck.

Perhaps, Biden drops out in late December.  Cites “the good of the country,” or “time for a new generation” to take over.  (Follows Pelosi).  A real possibility.

“The author of a brand new biography of Joe Biden has said it ‘wouldn’t be a total shock’ if the president cancels his re-election bid by the end of the year,” The Guardian reports.

Franklin Foer, whose book The Last Politician, said “it doesn’t take Bob Woodward to understand that Joe Biden is old. I’m not a gerontologist, and I can’t predict how the next couple years will age Joe Biden.”  This from a long time progressive.

Or, Trump makes a deal.  Drop the 90-plus criminal indictments and Trump agrees to never hold public office again.  Doubtful, but possible.  Hard to enforce.  Also, Attorneys General (Georgia, New York) unlikely to sign on.

I also wrote that the U.S. had a political “black hole” in- the-making which should motivate us to birth new stars before it is too late.

A cautionary tale. Look beyond Trump and Biden.  It matters and can happen.

For example, in the darkest hours, a Martin Luther King, Jr., a Mahatma Gandhi, an Eleanor Roosevelt, or Lech Walesa rose to “new stars” status. Surely, America is home to more such leaders.

However, it may already be too late.  The latest poll shows the two combatants neck and neck, but still with no majority.

“If the 2024 presidential election were held today, 45% of voters said they would choose Biden, while 44% opted for Trump,” per a new Harris-Messenger poll conducted by HarrisX.  Eleven percent indicated that they are still undecided.

Still, the best idea.  Neither Biden nor Trump.  And an open and competitive race.

How?  That is Part II.   Soon to follow.








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Gravitas September 7, 2023 at 11:14 am

Nikki Haley is ahead of Biden! “New Republican threat to President Joe Biden’s re-election campaign has emerged in the form of a former South Carolina governor who would be the first female president if she were to win the 2024 race.

“Nikki Haley, a contender for the GOP presidential nomination, poses the greatest risk to Biden, according to a new poll released by CNN on Thursday.

“Haley, who has recently seen a boost in the polls since faring well in the first primary debate, led Biden by 6 percentage points in a hypothetical matchup, backed by 49 percent support to Biden’s 43 percent. It was the widest lead in any of any head-to-head pairs between Biden and a Republican presidential candidate, even larger than the one of former President Donald Trump, who is the frontrunner in the GOP race. A matchup between Biden and Trump has the former president up by 1 percentage point, 47 to 46 percent.”


kh September 7, 2023 at 2:01 pm

She’s certainly worth looking deeper into. She’s sane and cogent, which sounds like a low bar in any other circumstances. The GOP at large needs to grow a spine and realize that hitching onto Trump’s wagon is a ride to nowhere. And it should be obvious to them by now he has no loyalties.

I love the idea of an immunity deal to just make him go away. The thought of seeing him locked up is tantalizing to many, but it will be a huge mess and could make Jan 6th look like child’s play. So be realistic, we’d be better served if he just went away quietly. And soon.


Gravitas September 7, 2023 at 11:56 am

Now Republicans sue to keep Trump off the ballot per 14th Amendment.


Tessa September 8, 2023 at 8:33 am

Also, there’s the Republican House effort to impeach Biden for his “involvement” in his son’s business dealings. The heat of that may encourage him to “see the light” and retire. His not doing so shows a clear lack of judgment on his, and the DNC’s, part – similar to selecting Clinton in 2016 despite her sky high unfavorables.
Many I know will leave the top line blank, vote for anyone else on the ballot in 2024 if the options are Biden and Trump.


deb porter September 8, 2023 at 10:04 am

A vote for anyone but Biden will throw the election back to Trump and his cronies. I cannot think of a worse disaster than Trump winning the next presidential election.


Carl M Zanolli September 9, 2023 at 8:12 am

Your premise was proven to be true in 2016 when progressives, in a fit of pique over Bernie Sanders not getting the Democratic nomination, voted for Jill Stein and not Hillary Clinton. Those votes in the crucial electoral college battleground states helped to put Donald Trump into the White House. Now Cornell West is trying to do that same thing running as a Green Party candidate with Jill Stein as a member of on his campaign staff


Frank Gormlie September 9, 2023 at 3:38 pm

Unbelievable! Didn’t they learn anything?


Carl M Zanolli September 11, 2023 at 5:34 am

Hardly a joking matter. People needlessly died as a consequence of a Trump administration just because some progressives wanted to burnish their bona fides.


Frank Gormlie September 11, 2023 at 8:43 am

You’re right there. Some of us remember when Jill Stein sat down w/ Putin in Moscow along with ol’ general Mike Flynn.


Deb Porter September 8, 2023 at 10:07 am

Never have I read anything that indicates that Joe Biden had any involvement with Hunter Biden’s business dealings.


Chris September 8, 2023 at 5:00 pm

Really? I’ve read plenty of accusations. Not saying any of them are true since they are predominantly from right wing media, but they are out there.


Caleb September 8, 2023 at 10:50 am

You can tell the author’s leanings when they conflate “the same vitriol and chaos” with anyone other than Trump, who instigates chaos and who the MAGA crowd uniformly admit they love to watch just to see him pwn people.

I understand democrats’ feelings about Biden’s age, but I agree with David Brooks (a republican) who said democrats should be thankful for what they have, which is a consistent and capable president in Biden.

However, this article becomes laughable in the second half.

“Perhaps, Biden drops out in late December. Cites ‘the good of the country,’ or ‘time for a new generation’ to take over.” Where is there any indication that this is how Biden feels about 2024?

“A third party. Senator Manchin is leading that charge.” Manchin is not going to stay on the ballot as a third party candidate. I mean, come on.

Also, “A cautionary tale. Look beyond Trump and Biden. It matters and can happen.” I’m interested in understanding this sentiment. What matters? What’s the cautionary tale? We know what would happen if Trump were to be elected. What would happen if he was not elected, or not even on the ballot?


Gravitas September 8, 2023 at 11:52 am

Thank God Pelosi is running for re-election. Dems will win the House and she did promise “to stay as long as Trump does.”


Chris September 8, 2023 at 1:15 pm

I’ll be the first to admit I only voted for Biden to get Trump out, not because I thought he would be a good prez.


sealintheSelkirks September 9, 2023 at 8:46 pm

Of course, Chris. That is the only reason Biden is president. In truth, if the wealthy neoliberal Dems hadn’t been in control in 2016, or hadn’t chosen to back the belligerent un-diplomatic to a fault right-wing Wall St. bank and corrupt corporate shill Hillary Clinton, Trump would NEVER have been elected the first time. If the DNC leaders had used their brains rather than their neoliberal corporate greed as a guide instead…but money talks, doesn’t it? The old saw power corrupts…

Unfortunately the same people decided on Biden 4 years later, another member of the same ideology/class of owners (of course), and he was not voted FOR; either, just as Hillary wasn’t.

He ‘won’ because after 4 years of the insanity of Trump it was ‘we gotta stop this guy.’ That’s all it was. And they capitalized on that to our detriment.

That unfortunately got us just the male version of Hillary Clinton with the same policies and background in both domestic and foreign politics for the most part. Right wing neoliberal Reaganomics continues to rule this country. 43 years of it now.

I figure that if the country had ‘ranked choice voting’ in the last two elections, and IF the ‘electoral college’ had been finally discarded as a weapon of 1700s class war by slave owners and rich white men, it likely would have been Sanders instead of Biden and Trump the last eight years.

But then we’ve never been a democracy… I wish people would stop using that word to describe the US. It is so inappropriate.

As for Nikki ‘Deer in the headlights’ Haley, how quickly people forget the incredible ignorance with her sitting in the UN Ambassador’s Chair for two years. That was truly pitiful and embarrassing in the extreme.

And don’t be fooled, her policies are Deep South Confederate Flag/guns, and bibles. And very much Trumpian or she never would have been rewarded with a position she knew absolutely NOTHING about. She maybe isn’t quite the ‘I wanna be the ‘Dear Leader; authoritarian but then again, maybe so. Just how much of his insanity did she learn on his knee, eh?



Frank Gormlie September 11, 2023 at 8:42 am

Where, dear Seal, do you concede that Biden was a world better Prez than t-face? You continue to wade into the “both sides are/ were the same” game – again. (see the rhythm?)


sealintheSelkirks September 12, 2023 at 4:46 pm

Remember what Geoff labeled me a number of years ago. The lonely ‘Idealist’ old surfer dude? Ha!

A ‘world’ better than? No, a world better than is an extremely high bar that is impossible for our corrupt 2-faces/1-party everybody-else-locked-out system of government that seems to be funded by the same wealthy corporate owners that get what they want regardless of the needs of the populace.

Maybe there would be a better chance to experience such a world… when the Democrats stop being owned and operated by the wealthy neoliberal right-wingers who infest and fund their political campaigns?

As least one could hope so, eh?

My rant against injustice for the day…but then it’s freaking 80’F and hot weather makes me even more cranky. Than usual. HA!



Frank Gormlie September 12, 2023 at 5:13 pm

Understand. We’re finally getting some cooler weather in the 70s at least for a week.


Jan Michael Sauer September 10, 2023 at 9:49 pm

Bernie Sanders was on “Face the Nation” earlier today. He said- “I think at this moment… we have got to bring the progressive community together to say, you know what, we’re going to fight for a progressive agenda, but we cannot have four more years of Donald Trump in the White house.”


Gravitas September 13, 2023 at 6:15 am

And Now This: WaPo Columnist joins “Don’t Run” Biden column.


Tessa September 13, 2023 at 7:50 am

David Ignatius is right- Biden needs to retire, pronto. Throwing his hat in the ring for a second term shows poor judgement on his part and arrogance on the part of the DNC.


Gravitas September 13, 2023 at 4:02 pm

Add Romney to list urges Biden to retire. Romney announces his retirement. He, who voted to impeach/convict Trump twice.


Gravitas September 14, 2023 at 6:44 am

“Romney: Biden, Trump should both ‘stand aside’ in 2024”. !!!


Gravitas September 14, 2023 at 9:11 am

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