Best Idea: Neither Biden nor Trump — Part 3

by on September 25, 2023 · 20 comments

in Election, Ocean Beach

Colleen O’Connor’s views continue to be her own and do not necessarily reflect those of the Rag’s.

By Colleen O’Connor

The “Neither Biden nor Trump” idea has gained serious momentum in less than a month.

Excruciatingly bad poll numbers for both presidential contenders have reinforced the theme.

Saturday morning’s Washington Post/ABC News poll: Headline: Trump edges out Biden 51-42 in head-to-head matchup.

Summary: “The president’s job approval rating is 19 points underwater.”

Why?  Biden’s ratings for handling the economy and immigration are at career lows. A record number of Americans say they’ve become worse off under his presidency, three-quarters say he’s too old for another term.”   See: verbal and physical stumbles.  Also see PDF for full results, charts and tables.

Or try Sunday’s headline from NBC News:  Big Majorities Express Concerns About Biden and Trump.

Summary:  “Three-quarters of voters say they’re concerned about President Joe Biden’s age and mental fitness, while nearly two-thirds have concerns about the multiple trials former President Donald Trump faces, a new national NBC News poll finds, casting a gloomy shadow over the upcoming 2024 presidential election.”

Granted polls are not infallible.  Behavior is.  Trump’s tweets, threats, 91 felony indictments, displays of ignorance, and incitement to violence have created strong voter disapproval.

If you don’t believe that polls or behavioral patterns matter, then try insiders’ knowledge.

“The voters don’t want this, and that’s in poll after poll after poll,” Democratic strategist, James Carville told the New York Times. Worrying these fears could lower voter turnout, he conceded, “You can’t look at what you look at and not feel some apprehension here.”

Similarly, GOP Senator, Mitt Romney has called for both Donald Trump and Joe Biden to “stand aside” and make room for a new generation of politicians.

The Atlantic interview provides excerpts from his book, Romney A Reckoning, detailing how, what, why and when he decided to retire from the Senate.  Valuable reading.

Already in print, Cassidy Hutchinson’s book, ENOUGH, to be released this Tuesday, September 26th.  As she has explained ever since her blockbuster testimony before the Jan. 6th House Committee, “I was the conduit to the White House chief of staff,” Hutchinson said. “Pretty much, to get to him, you had to go through me in some capacity.”

The pre-publication teasers of her tell-all book and her multiple television appearances are jaw dropping as is this preview in Vanity Fair.

If you prefer watching television, Hutchinson will appear on MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow, Monday night at 6 pm.

Or better still, try another book, Oath and Honor:  A Memoir and a Warning by former Republican Congresswoman, Liz Cheney.

The Publisher’ summary:

“A gripping first-hand account from inside the halls of Congress as Donald Trump and his enablers betrayed the American people and the Constitution—leading to the violent attack on our Capitol on January 6th, 2021—by the House Republican leader who dared to stand up to it.”

“Cheney’s book is scheduled for publication a month before GOP caucuses in Iowa, where former President Trump is the formidable favorite — and three months before the scheduled D.C. trial date for Trump on federal charges of trying to overturn the 2020 election.”

If you don’t believe the polls, the books, the insiders’ accounts, or the interviews, think about the latest rumors supporting the original thesis: “Best Idea: Neither Biden nor Trump.”

California Governor Gavin Newsom is stepping in for Biden (in a practice for White House run)?

The headline, “California Democrat drops major hint Newsom is going to run for president.”  U.S. Senate candidate, Katie Porter, noted that Newsom is “on a different path” without delving into what that path is.”

A bit more clarity.

“Earlier this year, the governor and his PAC, Campaign for Democracy, made trips to several red states to take on ‘authoritarian leaders’ on their home turf. Before that, Newsom launched a billboard campaign in Republican states with restrictive abortion laws, advertising the procedure in California.”

“He also set off political fireworks with a new campaign ad. Not only is the ad only airing in Florida, but it debuted on Fox News.”

Don’t believe that Newsom is positioning himself?  Think, again. He has been tasked to represent Biden at the next Republican debate … with good reason.

Underscoring it all, is this Pew Research headline from over 12,000 respondents, “Americans’ news fatigue isn’t going away – about two-thirds still feel worn out.”

What to do?  Read W.B. Yeats again.

“The best lack all conviction,
while the worst are full of passionate intensity.”
Be prepared.  Start looking for new leaders.



{ 20 comments… read them below or add one }

Gracitas September 25, 2023 at 11:32 am

And USA Today survey..Found Elizabeth Warren and Liz Cheney as voters choices!


Gravitas September 25, 2023 at 11:57 am

AND Newsom and DeSantis agree to debate on FOX NEWS!!!


chris schultz September 25, 2023 at 12:22 pm

“Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

The voters may not want this, but are powerless to stop it. The money guides the message. And the message is still half spun lies no matter the candidate. Newsome and DeSantis? The junior set of Trump/Biden to where the money torch gets passed to next. Your “Best Idea” is status quo. I quote the Who from Won’t Get Fooled Again. ” Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.”


Chris September 25, 2023 at 2:16 pm
Carl M Zanolli September 25, 2023 at 2:28 pm

Unless Biden gets some control over the border situation ASAP, the White House will go to Trump or a Trump-like figure. Biden’s problem is that he is trying to appease the progressive wing of the Democratic Party and some of those people won’t be happy unless they burn the whole place down like those MAGA lunatics in Congress.

Let’s not forget progressives siphoned off enough votes from Hillary Clinton in 2016 by voting for a third party candidate, Jill Stein, that handed over the election to Trump and they are promising to do it again! Cornell (“my bruther”) West and RFK Jr. are positioning themselves right now to do the very same thing.


Mateo September 26, 2023 at 12:39 am

Progressives siphoned off enough votes from $hillary to elect Trump?
Little history lesson: $hillary won the general and lost the electoral college.

“The Party” ramrodded a severely flawed sycophantic fundraiser through a contested 2016 convention because a Clinton could bring in the most money for “the Party” peddling influence for Wall Street money by fear-mongering her way into power.

It was Independent voters, including progressives, that fortunately did not fall victim to group-think like the diatribes you are attempting to regurgitate, wildly unsuccessfully I might add, to control the narrative and beat the fear drums once again.

Biden, the incumbent, is such a flawed candidate, he could prove incapable of holding onto his office. While running against a twice impeached, one term president, indicted 4 times and facing 91 felony charges. Stop and think about that Democratic Party. As a Democratic Voter I am supposed to find strength and confidence in his leadership? Biden is MIA on every critical issue and has never once even mentioned the word “homelessness” since taking office in 2021.

Currently, the number of Americans identifying as Independents has topped 70%. Young voters represent the largest voting block in American history, and more candidates benefit all Americans. Kill the 2 party system, save representative democracy.

A Republican will screw you, you know it going into the election booth.
A Democrat will lie to you and tell you they love you first.


PBDem61 September 26, 2023 at 8:30 am

Democrats are currently doing 12 points better in special elections than the average partisanship of those seats. The GOP candidate for governor of Kentucky is on the run from attacks on abortion. Trump has yet to actually be in a court room on a daily basis (let alone found guilty). Dobbes has supercharged Dem voters and activated R’s to vote blue.

It’s only a question of how big of a rout 2024 is for Dems, everyone releax.


RationalExhuberance September 26, 2023 at 8:53 am

> The “Neither Biden nor Trump” idea has gained serious momentum in less than a month.

By whom? The extremely online?

The ship has sailed at the start of the year on this one. It’s too late to try and nominate someone else and win the general election. Everyone already knows who they’ll vote for at this point in the Trump/Biden election of 2024. Wasting your time on anything at this point is just giving yourself unnecessary cortisol.


Tessa September 26, 2023 at 9:35 am

If it’s Biden, Trump, Newsom, or De satisfied, I’ll probably leave that top line blank, vote Green, or write in someone I’d really love to see- Sherrod Brown or Senator Merkley of Oregon.


Frank Gormlie September 26, 2023 at 9:37 am

Unfortunately, any vote other than for the Democratic contender will be a vote for T-Rex.


Jan Michael Sauer September 26, 2023 at 11:29 am

Sure, Progressives can vote Green, but why? Before Conservatives hijacked The Libertarian Party, we also had that choice. People used to say that The Democratic and Republican Parties were like “two peas in a pod”, but that is certainly not true any longer. People who describe themselves as ‘Independents” will determine who becomes President next year, as they ALWAYS do. The reality is The Democratic Party IS the party of Progressives now and it is our job to win the arguments with the best solutions for our collective futures as Americans.


chris schultz September 26, 2023 at 12:24 pm

Newsome doing a fantastic job letting insurance rates go to the highest bidder, suing big oil to basically watch them probably reduce supply and jack rates while he’s busy surveying the land for his next gig. How’s water and electric infrastructure going while we’re cramming housing up the wazoo? nothing but higher prices coming I think. Dem voter here but him, Lara, and Bonta giving me nausea.


Frances O'Neill Zimmerman September 26, 2023 at 8:56 pm

It is excruciating to think about, but unless the skygods send lightning bolts to change the 2024 lineup, we’re going to have a reprise of Biden — an older and more doddering version — and Trump — also older, but more indicted, impeached and vicious. In its own way, the Democratic Party is equally as dysfunctional as the GOP, but there is no workable alternative to these two systems.
Listen to our Editordude, people: hold your nose if you must, but vote, vote for the Democrats and encourage disaffected young people you know to do the same. Otherwise we really will end up with T-Rex again, and that truly would be a disaster.


chris schultz September 27, 2023 at 2:02 pm

Vote for the Dems, the least of two evils while Newsome is MIA on infrastructure to sustain massive housing infill. Meanwhile refinery outages are jacking up the cost of gas. What a surprise given the recent lawsuit from Bonta on big oil which still wants to blame the tropical storm? Wait til your insurance rates go sky high from commissioner Lara so only the rich can afford insurance. And you think these younger politicians are the way to go? Don’t hold your breath.


chris schultz September 27, 2023 at 2:17 pm

No offense, but we are getting across the board policy failures from Gloria with housing and water policies all the way up the state level now. You have to have a politician nervous enough to lose his/her job in order for them to behave correctly to the general public. And while I don’t advocate for Republicans, I think you have to have enough around to keep things honest.


chris schultz September 27, 2023 at 2:23 pm

Should have said half honest. But then we’re back at divided government and square one again. Just very irked with Cali govt currently taking from the people’s pockets who support this system.


Frances O'Neill Zimmerman September 28, 2023 at 5:52 pm

Water rates are through the roof. SDGE bill is up. Homeowners insurance has doubled , even though I live near a fire station and under the marine layer. Gas is $6+/gal. at Costco. Medical insurance PPO just got cancelled at Scripps Clinic. A recently-sold now-vacant house nearby is slowly getting a huge swimming pool, likely in anticipation of becoming a VRBO hotel partyhouse. Where’s the Bidenomics in this? How much of each $6 gallon of gasoline is the regressive gas-tax swan-song of ex-Gov. Jerry Brown? Count me Lucky But Also Irked.


Gravitas September 28, 2023 at 8:18 pm

New GOP challenger backed by mega donors. Gov. Youngkin of Virginia!


Frank Gormlie October 3, 2023 at 11:13 am

Media Matters has pointed out that despite the barely three-year gap between the two men, Biden’s age gets mentioned almost four times as often as Trump’s. That means it logged 193 mentions on cable news over a four-day period. The media reinforces this with a hawk-like observation of Biden’s every utterance, ready to swoop on any perceived error.


sealintheSelkirks October 4, 2023 at 2:38 pm

Yeah, it’s as if none of the corporate media is paying any attention to what Trump at the podium giving campaign speeches are actually saying. Excuse me? Just a big confused you might think?

Pay attention, idiot corporate clown show ‘news’ media. Listen to where he’s saying he beat Obama in an election, or that Biden is going to start WWII, etc etc along with a bunch of other really strange declarations in the last couple of weeks. Pretty dang bizarre stuff coming out of that pouty mouth in his poochy face lately. We probably should be used to it but I’m glad I’m not!

Seems like he’s losing some of his rather limited mental capacity fairly rapidly on top of his lack of educational and historical background and just plain stupidity. But then we know daddy spent $2 million getting him a ‘degree.’

Just another moron wealthy frat boy sucking on daddy’s big golden spoon.

I forced myself to listen (shudder/gag) to some replays of these video clips and he didn’t catch them at all. Just kept repeating the same wrong statements. Broken record style.

No wonder he doesn’t want to be in a debate.

But don’t tell the MAGA followers this. They’ll get all nasty and say it’s all a plot to ‘steal’ the 2024 election because their cult figure leader is definitely jesus and einstein all wrapped up in a…a-HEM…215 pound (really?) package of Big Mac-eating muscle who is going to stop the Dems from doing it again. You know, stop what DIDN’T happen in 2020. How does one negative a negative I wonder?

As the cartoon I sent you said, you can’t fix stupid even with duct tape.

heh heh.



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