Future Use of Fresh and Easy Store and Airport and Airplane Noise

by on January 22, 2016 · 11 comments

in Environment, Ocean Beach

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Photos by Meredith Houlton

Notes from the Peninsula Community Planning Board Meeting of January 21, 2016 Agenda:

Point Loma Grocery Store on Catalina and Canon

As long as I have been a resident of the Pt. Loma area (1966), there has always been a grocery store on the corner of Catalina and Canon. True, it has changed hands many times, but the convenience of having a store there has always been appreciated.

PL fresh n easy mh 02Fresh and Easy was the last store in this location, and even though this particular store did well, the others in the chain did not and the company has filed bankruptcy. Much to the chagrin of the neighbors in the area, “CVS” has announced that they are going to buy the market out of bankruptcy and put one of their drug stores in that site. And that announcement was the reason I attended, along with a STANDING ROOM ONLY group, the meeting this evening.

Mike Ryan, a neighbor that is opposed to CVS has done a marvelous job of keeping the community informed as to what is happening with this proposal. For one thing, almost 3000 people have signed a petition letting CVS know that they are not wanted in this location.

There is already a drug store next door to the existing building, and the community does not need a second drug store. We are afraid that the small existing drug store will be taken over by this conglomerate.

What this community needs is a grocery store. The nearest one to us is almost two miles away and almost impossible to walk to because of the hilly terrain. It is impractical to think that one could ride their bike, or walk to the store, and then carry groceries the two miles to their home.

The current landlord has gone on record saying that he wants a grocery store in that location; he does not want CVS. Yet, because this is being handled by the bankruptcy court, it appears that the landlord does not have a say as to who can purchase the remaining lease on the property. From what was said this evening it appears that he – the landlord – has talked about “buying” the lease himself.

The Planning Board, in a unanimous decision, voted to support the grocery store concept, and to state that CVS is not needed nor wanted at this particular site. There was applause from the audience, because when asked if there was anyone in the crowd that was in favor of CVS no one raised their hand.

Pt Loma FAA changes mapActAirport and Airplane Noise

Once again the airport and the noise being generated from airplanes that are turning closer to Point Loma than before was up for discussion.

Paul Webb, a member of the Planning Board made his presentation. But before I give a summary of that, I want to point out that Mr. Webb is a retired employee of the airport. It is my opinion that he is biased in his reporting and we did not receive the entire truth of what is going on with the new plans. With that in mind, here are some of the things he said:

There have been an increase of noise complaints from August – 18 – to December – 1578.

For those of you not living in the flight pattern let me be more specific. When a low-flying aircraft goes overhead; is noisy; sounds like it is having trouble, etc. there is an Airport Noise Complaint number that we can call. (619-400-2799). Mind you, it does not have to be only over Ocean Beach/Pt. Loma. It can be anywhere where the decibels are above the norm.

Mr. Webb stated that in 2015 there were 15,919 operations, where only 1032 flights flew south of Adair. This was questioned by one of the members of the audience, many of which stayed for the discussion after the CVS resolution.

The question was raised as to where the tracking devices are placed to determine if the noise is above the acceptable level. It turns out that there are only two – both portable. One is at the Nazarene College; the other is at Adair and Sunset Cliffs. That’s all well and good, but hardly enough for all the airplanes veering south of Newport Avenue.

Mr. Webb stated that he hears more noise from North Island than he does from Lindbergh Field. I find that hard to believe since he lives right under the flight pattern of Lindbergh. He also said that the airport no longer reports “head-head” landings because there are so few of them. It was pointed out that it is a safety measure and we should know how many there are on a daily basis.

A gentleman in the audience asked if it was possible to have a 360 degree map showing all of the noise monitors; and the infractions of the airplane. Mr. Webb said it was being looked into.

Nothing has changed since 1965; the airport is still extremely dangerous to those living in the area.

In fact, just today I reported an airplane that was so loud and low that my dog jumped up from where he was sitting and tried to hide in the closet. I later found out that the plane I reported was a “missed approach”. Southwest Airline was trying to land and the tower sent a United flight up in its path. The Southwest plane had to rise rapidly to clear the Point. People tried to say that it was a military flight emanating from North Island. Apparently that was not the case at all.

There was nothing settled at this meeting; it was merely a report of a previous meeting that Mr. Webb attended. But I urge the residents of Ocean Beach and Point Loma to start attending some of these meetings. Without hearing the public voices, the airport commission will just continue doing what they have been doing for years.

{ 11 comments… read them below or add one }

PLwiseone January 22, 2016 at 1:45 pm

Thanks Judi for attending and reporting.


editordude January 22, 2016 at 1:46 pm

Yes, hats off to you, Judi.


judi January 22, 2016 at 4:28 pm

Thank you both.


Vandy January 22, 2016 at 6:04 pm

Kudos and Hooray!


Debbie January 22, 2016 at 7:06 pm

Thank you for your reporting.

There should be ten “tracking devices” on the Point….may I suggest…a few locations i.e. High School, Elementary School, Collier Park, Dog Beach, Dana School.

The airport authority can buy the devices from the fines collected from the violators….what a concept!


jud January 22, 2016 at 7:47 pm

I agree, Debbi. And the should be at various heights, not just low like the one at Adair and Sunset Cliffs.


Chuck Marlow January 23, 2016 at 12:29 pm

There has been airplane noise in the area since I was a little kid living on Elliott Street in Loma Portal. This is nothing new. Why the heck can’t San Diego just close the airport and move it to another location? Sure would be safer for everyone concerned. Remember the plane crash in East San Diego that wiped out a big chunk of neighborhood? Point Loma/Ocean Beach isn’t the only area affected by the airport. It’s insane to have a modern airport in the location that it is.


South OB Girl January 23, 2016 at 12:34 pm

Thank you so much Judi for reporting… These are some hot topics for PL/OB. And I miss Fresh and Easy every day.


judi January 23, 2016 at 2:06 pm

I find that I am doing a lot of “little shopping” at the Olive Tree. Not bad, and they seem to have what I want. A little more pricey.


PL Local January 24, 2016 at 9:42 am

Thanks Judi.

Didn’t hear about this meeting. If I did I would had been there. Even with the standing room only.

It seems like ever since our last meeting with the FAA, the FAA and Airplanes have made it clear. They will fly where ever the hell they want to fly. Out of the 30 years I have lived in Point Loma, I have NEVER had a SouthWest flight fly over my house. Over the past year, I have had dozens! One so low it seemed like it was going to crash! And these small FedEx planes are so slow and fly so low that even they make a huge amount of noise.

Thank you for the Airport Noise Complaint number !!!!!

I will now be calling it every time I see a plane over Point Loma!


judi January 24, 2016 at 10:05 am

And if the line is busy, keep calling!


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