Soon We Will Know Who We Are

by on September 9, 2020 · 50 comments

in Election, Ocean Beach

By Joni Halpern

We are fast coming to a crossroads in our life as an American people.  We shall either be brothers and sisters emerging from a frenzy of chaos into the light of our motto, “Out of many, one.”  Or we shall hack apart the bonds of our American family, wrapping our hatred and hostility toward our fellow Americans in a flag of patriotism.

With the former choice, we will revitalize our democracy.  With the latter, we will shred our stripes and scatter our stars until they are strewn across the barren fields of our future as the United States of America.  We are only 50-some days from our destiny.

Ever since Donald Trump was elected President, I have tried to understand my fellow Americans who support him.  At first, it was said they felt forgotten by mainstream politics.  Their economic futures had been lost in the closures of manufacturing plants and the loss of thousands of other jobs to global forces.  No one in Washington cared.  People who supported Donald Trump said they wanted someone would take seriously their hunger for economic, social and political justice.

There were some ironies in their political goals, of course.  They wanted good streets, clean water, money to send their kids to good private and public schools, decent health care, disaster protection, a working electrical grid, and all the services government had long provided.  They liked being able to pay half a dollar to send a letter to any of our 50 states.  They liked getting unemployment and social security.

But they also hated government, hated paying taxes, hated helping the poor, and wanted certain religious convictions to be enforced by law.  They wanted their neighborhoods and their communities to be filled with people who looked like them, believed as they did, and were willing to withhold divergent opinions and lifestyles out of respect for the majority viewpoint.

Despite these contradictions, however, Donald Trump’s supporters include a great number of hard-working Americans who love their families, help their neighbors, run honest businesses and serve their fellow Americans in many different capacities.

Even if this is true, it still does not explain how these fine people could vote for someone who was not their equal, someone whose entire life had been built upon an ever-accelerating series of lies about the properties he bought, borrowed against, and drained of value in support of a lifestyle that was not just opulent, but imperial.  Supporters who worked for bare necessities or for middle class amenities fell at his feet as if he would deliver them, when in fact, he had left hundreds like them in the dust of his unpaid wages, broken contracts, worthless junk bonds and clandestine deals with unsavory characters whose only pursuits were money and power.  To hell with the working people.

Donald Trump promised his followers a rose garden.  He did not mention the fact that we would emerge from it bloody and ragged, thrashing against the thorns as we fight against enemies that once lived only in the darkest part of our hearts – our fears of being overcome by people of color, by immigrants, by Muslims, by same-sex couples, by people who suffered  historical injustice.

Donald Trump is not a man of great insight, but he is shrewd, and he has an unerring instinct for what people fear.  They fear what millions in this country have already experienced.  They fear being left out.  They fear they will not matter.  They fear that when the pie is divided, no one will remember to invite them to the table.  If they are already members of the middle class, they are afraid of what others might take from them.

Donald Trump is the President of our fears.  He presides over our fears of want, loss, change, and differences.  He seeks now to be the emperor of our souls, the man who makes a deal with us that we can never take back:  Give me your values, he says, and I will replace them with my own splendor.  Give me your honor, your honesty, your courage, compassion, mercy, and respect.  Give me your love, and I will rise to become the symbol of your sacrifice of all that you once held dear.

Donald Trump is not worthy to tie the shoe of the working people who support him.  They are not like him.  They work for a living.  They do not rely on liars, cheaters, thieves and charlatans to put food on their tables.  Few among them would disgrace their wives and daughters by bragging about their freedom to intrude on the bodily privacy of young women.  They would not disgrace their children or their spouses by belittling their choice to serve in the military.  They would not look down on those who became prisoners of war or died on the battlefield.  Many of Donald Trump’s supporters  attend church.  Many of them pray for deliverance.  Underneath those red hats and banners waving with Trump’s name, his supporters carry on lives that are nothing like his.

But over the last six years, this Pied Piper of a President has convinced his supporters that they really are like him, and that he, a man who has lived amid blasphemy and riches all his life, is really like them.  Mesmerized by his countenance, his supporters have dropped their sacred values and followed him, traipsing from one rally to the next, trying to grab a piece of the illusionary dazzle he drops on his way to the bank.  A bank where he deposits all that he and his family have looted from our national treasure.

His supporters won’t wake up until reality comes calling.  And then they will see the impossible trade they have made:  their insight, their values, their virtue —  for the empty promise that he will remember them when he sits down to gluttonize at the groaning table of spoils:  his autocracy, his theft of our tax dollars, his destruction of any unity we once enjoyed as the American People, and his destruction of everyone we once called global  friends.

We are at a fork in the American road.  We will decide not only for ourselves, but for generations to come, which road to take.  Do we follow the road of our American values:  honesty, decency, and the freedoms our Constitution promises to all?  Or do we follow the path of Donald Trump, a man who has proudly put his greed, racism, and misogyny on display?  A man who has finally envisioned what it would be like if he were king.

Fifty-plus days, and we choose the road that tells us who we are.

{ 49 comments… read them below or add one }

Avatar Jay Rodriguez September 9, 2020 at 10:38 am

MAGA! BTW… we participated in the TRUMP Boat Parade this past weekend, along with MANY other of Our OB Neighbors and their boats. The previous OBRag article stating that there were only 350+ boats and that it was a sad display of support absolutely LIED to ALL of YOU. Google the event for yourself, check youtube, the event was insane with thousands of boats and thousands on the shoreline. ANYONE that was near the San Diego Bay on Sunday can verify this fact. Until you all stop lying to each other you’ll never understand what is truly happening in America and the World. Peace be with you all. ….now off to clean up all the trash and graffiti spewed across our liberal wasteland called OCEAN BEACH.

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Frank Gormlie Frank Gormlie September 9, 2020 at 10:59 am

Had to post this from beach yuppie to show just how apart we are.

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Avatar Jay Rodriguez September 9, 2020 at 11:12 am

Not sure why you “had” to post this rather than just posting a comment from a reader. Regardless, the truth should not show how far apart we are. The truth should be the only thing that matters to the media and to the people. Furthermore, for the record…. me, my family, my fellow Trump supporting OB neighbors do not HATE your opinion nor your politics. We only have a differing set of ideals than you, which is OK. It’s AMERICA.

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Frank Gormlie Frank Gormlie September 9, 2020 at 12:40 pm

I wanted to show our readers the range of comments we receive, and because the OB Rag is not a Trump site, usually pro-Trump, racist and misogynist comments are not published. You accused our reporter and this site of lying. I did google the event and saw nowhere near “thousands” of boats. So, who is lying? Our reporter was near the bay. We fear you and your boaters are being delusional. You end your comment with “peace be with you all” and then disparage liberals and the “wasteland” you call OB. Good-bye Jay.

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Avatar Guy September 11, 2020 at 11:54 am

Frank – I get removing racist and misogynist comments…but pro-Trump comments? Can’t put your head in the sand dude. These comments is why Trump will win again…the aggressive, violent nature of the left has come out into the open for all to see – “follow our liberal doctrine or be hung!” – the left has not discourse or variety of opinion…just following anarchist rioters hell-bent on destroying everything all of our ancestors worked, died, and fought for.

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Frank Gormlie Frank Gormlie September 11, 2020 at 12:18 pm

Guy – oh, this is sweet: “the left has not discourse or variety of opinion…just following anarchist rioters hell-bent on destroying everything all of our ancestors worked, died, and fought for.” Yeah, that’s what the left is all about, you’re so inciteful. haha. You’re probably beyond the pale. But let’s be clear of what the left in this country has done: we kicked the Brits and their German mercenaries out, established a flawed but first democratic representative, constitutional government; the Bill of Rights – the rights guaranteed; the abolition movement; kicking out the Confederates out of power; public education; the 8-hour day; unions; safety measures at places of work; the women’s suffrage movement; civil rights; support for voting rights of Black Americans; building the largest anti-imperialist anti-war movement in history; … could go on, but my fingers are getting tired

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Avatar Joni Halpern September 9, 2020 at 12:21 pm

How interesting it is that you throw all people who do not hold your views into a comfortable bin as liars and liberals. Some of my family and friends are Trump supporters, and while I do not understand their sympathies, I would never believe they are so shallow as to be able to be characterized under a denigrating label. That would mean that all their goodness, decency, and love was worth nothing in the face of their political affiliations. I will never let that happen. The Trump era will go the way of all mortal endeavors, even if it leaves us for the worse. But my appreciation and concern for my family, friends, and fellow Americans will be constant. That is what I find so unfortunate in so many Trump supporters — that they would trash the good will and contributions of their fellow Americans in order to adhere to the political catechism. How can it help you to view those who disagree in such limited and pejorative terms?

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Avatar Chris September 9, 2020 at 1:46 pm

When you say “our” liberal wasteland that implies you live there yourself. If that is the case I gotta why? OB is what it is so you saying it’s such a wasteland and yet living there is like a homophobe moving into Hillcrest and then complaining about the large presence of LGBTQ people.

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Avatar Geoff Page September 9, 2020 at 3:30 pm

Ah yes, another genius t-rump supporter. Your comment is on the wrong Rag article, maga-man. Reading with comprehension is difficult, I know.

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John M. Williams jmw September 9, 2020 at 11:10 am

Jay, I did not say there were only 350+ boats. Read it yourself, if you like. Your attack is unwarranted and inaccurate.

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John M. Williams jmw September 9, 2020 at 11:12 am

It really does seem that way, doesn’t it. Trump seems to dislike things that live; he is very dark.

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Avatar Geoff Page September 9, 2020 at 3:27 pm

Very well written, Ms Halpern, very well written.

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Avatar Scott September 9, 2020 at 4:38 pm

We support Trump for POTUS because he represents the USA better than the other candidates, the USA we hold in high regard for its positive qualities of culture and hopeful over-arching common unity.
The USA is a country, it’s not the world.
Make All Countries Great, each in their own positive respective distinctive ways.

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Avatar Joni Halpern September 9, 2020 at 9:51 pm

What an eloquent comment, Scott. Thank you. You make my case that Mr. Trump is not the equal of his supporters. You speak of unity and positive qualities of our culture. I assume those terms include the diverse cultures and people who make up this great nation. If that is so, you are quite unlike Mr. Trump, for he is divisive, exclusive, judgmental and condemning. You, on the other hand, post a comment that seems inclusive and welcoming. You are a better man than the one you support, in my opinion.

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Avatar Scott September 10, 2020 at 2:32 am

We like the good and great qualities Trump has, and are very aware of his faults.
Divisive rhetoric and perspectives are standard in politics when problems warrent addressing.
Political campaigning is a show,… more so if the ‘ideally-most-qualified’ people aren’t running for president (- but who would that be?).

Trump is inclusive, but not naively so.
People/Populations are divisive by nature. That includes being being exclusionary, and inclusionary, case by case.
People are not ‘All One’. Diversity => Division,… happens in most populations if not all.

Politics is about judgment, about being judgmental, including condemnation and praise.
Many people who identify as American (born and raised in the USA, lifelong residents, and many others) choose Trump because he represents the American Way which people highly value and indentify with, with him serving as the leader-figure as president of the United States of America, with his positive qualities being most prominent.

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Peter Peter from South O September 10, 2020 at 4:31 am

Y’all talking about “Individual 1”? Bless your heart!

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Avatar Geoff Page September 10, 2020 at 4:15 pm

What specifically are t-rump’s “good and great qualities” and his “positive qualities.” Enough generalities, be specific.

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Avatar Scott September 11, 2020 at 8:19 pm

Geoff,
Being that you’re so kind, though I’ve stated elsewhere, I’ll state directly to your question here:
Answer:
Effective leadership skills, enough good sense, plus strongly and reasonably addressing sensitive issues,…. is the basic gist of why we’re choosing Trump, because we feel he’s more effective in getting what we want for the USA than the other candidates these past two times around.
What do we want for the USA? Correcting what’s wrong, and keeping things well.
What’s wrong? Feel free to give your input. How to keep things well? Feel free to give your input.
People politically choose primarily on feelings, with what and who they feel most comfortable with, whole picture considering.
Different minds, different perspectives, in all strata of peoples
Some get rabid about the issues, some just feel strongly but don’t get rabid, some just have preferences.

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Avatar Scott September 9, 2020 at 5:08 pm

And, this article way overblown. Welcome to the USA :)

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Avatar Bob Edwards September 10, 2020 at 8:11 am

Editordude tells me his internet is down until after noon today, Thursday, 9/10/20.

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Avatar Joni Halpern September 10, 2020 at 9:22 am

Scott, when I see rhetoric such as you post in your last comment, it appears to me it falls far short of your true ability to understand and articulate. It is a wave of generalities covering a rocky shore of discreet issues we must address. Many of these have to do with how we think of, and how we treat, each other. If the American Way were simply adherence to a person who casts aside every opportunity to be decent and believes he is the only one who can save us, it is a mockery of principled leadership.

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Avatar Joni September 11, 2020 at 8:17 pm

Joni,
Please list and address the ‘discreet issues’.

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Avatar Scott September 10, 2020 at 3:31 pm

Joni,
For the sake of brevity and gist, I stated what I stated, because many people understand, basically.
You stated this:
”If the American Way were simply adherence to a person who casts aside every opportunity to be decent and believes he is the only one who can save us, it is a mockery of principled leadership.”
My statement to you on that statementt:
You’re completely lopsided and way off base with that statement. You’re not sensing in reasonable and balanced reality; what you’re sharing is false.
It’s as though you take some bits of ‘the worse’ which are actually mild, and make it the whole.

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Avatar Geoff Page September 10, 2020 at 4:18 pm

Joni said it too, “a wave of generalities.” Be specific if you want to have an intelligent discussion. Tell everyone, specifically, what your hero has done.

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Avatar Scott September 11, 2020 at 8:01 pm

Geoff and Joni,
Trump is not our hero.
Effective leadership skills, enough good sense, plus strongly and reasonably addressing sensitive issues,…. is the basic gist of why we’re choosing Trump, because we feel he’s more effective in getting what we want for the USA than the other candidates these past two time around.
What do we want for the USA? Correcting what’s wrong, and keeping things well.
What’s wrong? Feel free to give your input. How to keep things well? Feel free to give your input.
People politically choose primarily on feelings, with what and who they feel most comfortable with, whole picture considering.
Different minds, different perspectives, in all strata of peoples
Some get rabid about the issues, some just feel strongly but don’t get rabid, some just have preferences.

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Avatar Chris September 12, 2020 at 12:43 pm

“What do we want for the USA? Correcting what’s wrong, and keeping things well.” That’s not even an answer lol.

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John M. Williams jmw September 10, 2020 at 6:15 pm

Scott,
This is your President?
He has bragged publicly that he could grab women by the pussy and they didn’t even get mad. This is your President?
He has called Black Americans stupid. This is your President?
He has called Mexican Americans “rapists, murderers, and drug dealers.” This is your President?
He has rolled back many environmental protection laws. This is your President?
He has supported coal and oil. This is your President?
He been boorish in debate, foolish (Woodward tapes), antagonistic to our allies, dismissive of science, the propagator of misleading information on the pandemic; he’s a snake oil salesman who will say anything to anyone to get his way. This is your President?
This is your President.
Why?

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Avatar Scott September 11, 2020 at 6:35 pm

Yep, we know all that. It’s a balance. Some get it, some don’t.

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Avatar Scott September 11, 2020 at 9:23 pm

jmw,
And, you’re overstating and taking some of those statements out of context.
So, shame on you.

USA/Trump/Pence 2020.

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John M. Williams jmw September 12, 2020 at 12:27 pm

Scott, where’s the overstatement? Where’s the out of context? Will you identify?
“Effective leadership skills, enough good sense, plus strongly and reasonably addressing sensitive issues,…. is the basic gist of why we’re choosing Trump, because we feel he’s more effective in getting what we want for the USA…”
We have entered Wonderland.

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Avatar Scott September 10, 2020 at 8:06 pm

To share some more:
Trump/Republicans/Conserviatives represent to me: The American way, law, and order. Although I’m very aware of Trump’s falseness and faults,… but, I’m also very aware of Trump’s positives and strengths in serving as president of the USA, and for the integrity of the world.
Biden / Democrat Party / Leftists convey weakness, cowering, and, also immaturity and chaos,… much more so than the Republican/Conservative/Trump side of things.

And for all of you who despise or respect some news sources, consider this clip in its entirety…. and, LOL or eye-roll as you like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgaFgljFd4A

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Avatar Tyler September 11, 2020 at 9:31 am

Just a reminder that arguing with Trump supporters is a pointless exercise in futility. Do not engage.

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Avatar Scott September 11, 2020 at 5:36 pm

Tyler, arguing with anti-Trumpers is usually a pointless exercise in futility. But, engage with decency.

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Avatar Geoff Page September 11, 2020 at 6:09 pm

The word “argument” really does not apply here. An argument implies that there are pros and cons on both sides and each side tries to convince the other of their point of view. But, there are no pros on the t-rump supporter’s side and there are no cons on the anti-t-rumpers’s side. All it really amounts to is intelligent people with common sense trying to get the t-rump supporters to take their heads out of the sand and look at reality.

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Avatar Scott September 11, 2020 at 6:47 pm

Geoff, yes, there of pros and cons for both Trump and Biden.
As one person already put forth here, there’s the probable futility factor of discussing these things with those who don’t recognized the pros,…. and I’ll say especially with the anti-Trumpers, who seem to get the most rabid.

Different minds, different perspectives, in basically all strata of people.

Many of us see the pro-Democrat/Pro-Biden as the ones with their heads in the sand, to use your terminology.

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Peter Peter from South O September 12, 2020 at 3:36 am

No. Just NO. Stop with the mollycoddling, already. Trump is a traitor to the Country and a misogynistic racist. Those who support such a man because they like some of the things that he does are just rationalizing their own morality, in other words, they are lying to themselves to justify the evil that they throw their lot in with.
It is a cult of personality that you are caught up in, Scott. By speaking on behalf of this cult you are following a racist. How can that possibly be the right thing to do?

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Avatar Jeffeck September 11, 2020 at 10:33 am

You anti trumpers have repeated called or alluded that the people who responded here who like are unintelligent and lacking in understanding. You cannot respect others opinions. Who are the bigot now?? Here’s a hint.: Look in the mirror

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Avatar Geoff Page September 13, 2020 at 7:05 pm

Jeffeck, was this badly written comment meant to be satire or did you just make the point about the lack of intelligence and inability of t- rump supporters to understand reality?

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Avatar Dr. Jack Hammer September 11, 2020 at 10:46 am

Trump is a poor man’s idea of a rich man, a weak man’s idea of a strong man, and a stupid man’s idea of a smart man.

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Avatar Geoff Page September 11, 2020 at 12:05 pm

Well said, Hammer.

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Avatar Scott September 11, 2020 at 6:09 pm

For most Trump supporters your line here doesn’t apply:
“Trump is a poor man’s idea of a rich man, a weak man’s idea of a strong man, and a stupid man’s idea of a smart man.”
Everyone has positive strengths,…. were choosing Trump for his positive strengths.
What are those positive strengths? We’ve had a few years to get an idea; different people, different answers. But the basic points I figure:
Effective leadership skills, enough good sense, plus strongly and reasonably addressing sensitive issues.
People choose who to vote for on feelings, who they feel most comfortable with for leading as POTUS, of the given candidates. And that certainly goes for people who choose Biden over Trump, at least many of them, as well as Trump voters.

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sealintheSelkirks sealintheSelkirks September 12, 2020 at 11:34 am

Wow! This Scott guy is really good at deflecting, dodging, ducking, weaving, twisting words, and never exactly saying anything substantial. Very much like reading The Heartland Institute talking about the ongoing climate chaos that they just refuse to understand.

Frank Luntz the Republican so-called ‘wordsmith’ (a term coined by Ralph Nader) comes to mind, too, actually. Verbose, windy, oh-so-polite but essentially truly lacking in substance.

Notice that he doesn’t exactly give any concrete examples of how Trump has made this country great…again…if it ever really was because being founded and built by genocide and slavery isn’t exactly much to be proud of… But it is all generalities, nothing specific that can be pointed at.

He could have used Trump’s own words, his tweets and rally speeches as examples. You notice he didn’t?

And I must admit that Trump occasionally says absolute truth but probably by accident because he so loves to hear himself speak. I’ll give two examples, and I paraphrase:

1) ‘If we let everybody vote there wouldn’t be another Republican elected to office.’

Well…yeah, I have to agree with that.

2) And the ‘Losers & Suckers’ comment when standing over the graves of dead soldiers.

Well…yeah again I also have to agree with Trump because most of the wars this country has started only benefited the wealthy corporate owners in the long run. My Uncle Kenny died in Vietnam for absolutely nothing and I had to accept that. Remember the Maine! That blew up from a faulty boiler…WMDs in Iraq…that was a blatant lie by another republican named DICK.

What Scott is saying is that Trump is a very good con man. No argument there. But then he had to be in order to steal money from so many ‘investors’ and the people who worked for him; those contractors and other little people that never get paid and have to sue to get anything at all. Trump the inherited wealth Frat Boy learned his lessons well from his daddy.

Trump speaks to the Amygdala, he talks to the ego and the scared little ancient lizard that is the oldest section of our brain, in strictly emotional terms to the point that it shuts off the cognitive parts (the amygdala is VERY well known for doing that, turning off reason).

And so does Scott; he uses terms like “effective leadership,” and “reasonably addressing sensitive issues,” and of course this comment: “Trump/Republicans/Conserviatives represent to me: The American way, law, and order.” Can he give us concrete examples of what he calls the ‘american way?’

The question begs just WHOSE kind of ‘law and order?’ The law and order of Pinochet, Francisco Franco, Presidents Andrew Jackson or Richard Nixon, the Mullahs of Saudi Arabia or Iran? Lots of laws with an extreme regimentation style of order based on violence and hate? But there seems to be not much justice and not much soul-searching as to the causes of why society is as screwed up as it is, and of how we can actually make this country better than the mess it is in. First rule, stopping digging the hole deeper!

This guy Scott doesn’t know much history, not down to the root causes of this United States military empire that has spread its tentacles across the planet that is bankrupting a majority of everyone below the wealthy corporate owner levels to financially sustain. And he will refuse to delve into finding those causes because his amygdala is fully engaged with emotional responses from his own ego.

Who brings AR15s to protests? Oh wait, protest ‘mask wearing’ during a Pandemic that Trump’s taped interviews proved beyond a shadow of a doubt he knew just exactly how deadly this new disease it…it isn’t those damn lbrrls. They have, you know, deadly signage in their hands! I mean, Trump’s ‘you catch it through the air’ pretty much encapsulate the thought that he most certainly did know just how bad SARS CoV II was…in February. My biologist friends were freaking in Feb as was Trump. They battened down the hatches while Trump proceeded to absolutely LIE HIS FACE OFF. Interesting reaction, that!

Scott, you completely validated what I have written with your last paragraph. ‘Vote on feeling’ is the emotional rather than using the intelligent part of our brains. And when your dear leader continually pushes the amygdala panic buttons with his rhetoric, you can be sure what comes next.

But I will have to disagree with part of your last sentence. People who are voting for Biden, a hell of a lot that I know both Independents and Democrats, are absolutely holding their nose but their brains, the cognitive side not the amygdala portion, have analyzed the consequences that another four years of Trump’s regime…. Biden sucks as does Kamala, another corporate neoliberal ass just like H Clinton was, but the consequences have some very interesting similarities with other historical periods of human history. Remember, law and order makes the trains run on time but they also lead to death camps and disappearing citizens in various countries throughout the sordid history of our species… Be careful what you wish for, dude.

sealintheSelkirks

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sealintheSelkirks sealintheSelkirks September 12, 2020 at 11:43 am

Oh, I forgot this link. The amygdala in action, baby. The Trump voter in action!

‘Antifa arson’ hoax rumors spread faster than wildfires in besieged West Coast rural areas

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/9/10/1976604/–Antifa-arson-hoax-rumors-spread-faster-than-wildfires-in-besieged-West-Coast-rural-areas

sealintheSelkirks

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Peter Peter from South O September 13, 2020 at 3:35 am

Seal, you need to check your sources before you put out falsehoods like the etymology of “wordsmith”. Ralph Nader had nothing to do with coining the word. It was in common usage as early as 1890 and the definition has NOTHING to do with bloviation.
Such pronouncements in the midst of a screed only reduces the veracity of the rest of the contents.

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sealintheSelkirks sealintheSelkirks September 13, 2020 at 1:08 pm

I heard Ralph use it just a few weeks ago on his radio show to describe the guy. First time I’ve ever heard it used. Then a few shows later he actually had Frank Luntz on a call-in who said he was ‘happy’ to talk with Nader. Weird stuff that. Just conflated the two…and if a minor mistake such as that reduces the veracity of the rest of the writing that’s a pretty sad commentary on paying attention to the more important aspects.

sealintheSelkirks

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Avatar Scott September 12, 2020 at 5:12 pm

If Biden/Harris get elected, I’ll honor it. It’s just not my choice.
The Democrat party is more of a cult of dysfunction than the Republican side from what I’ve observed impartially.
The big turn-around was was boosted by the Dylan Roof atrocity, and then got in to ridiculousness with the Obama(who I voted for in 2008, when times were nice)/Trayvon/MichaelBrown/BLM/Police/ and the mass immigration crisis,….. and things got turned around, with emphasis on culture and identity, and what American culture is, and who chooses what it is.
We each have our feelings. It’s not a matter of how intelligent one is, generally,… it’s a matter of what one honestly feels, reasonably.

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sealintheSelkirks sealintheSelkirks September 13, 2020 at 1:21 pm

“It’s not a matter of how intelligent one is, generally” is a strange comment. But I can’t disagree with the dysfunction of the Democrats since the only person who could have beaten Trump in 2016 was Bernie (according to most polls) and the DNC leaders seriously scammed him out of the nomination. A stolen primary without a doubt. And they did it again this election… A very very sad comment on the so-called leadership.

But the cult of extreme dysfunction called the Trump Republican Party is obviously not something that you have delved into impartially. Maybe this will help to inform you so that you can get a clearer view of what you promote:

Trump Law, Trump Order and the Danger Ahead
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/09/09/trump-law-trump-order-and-the-danger-ahead/

The calling card of fascism is lawlessness in the name of law and order.
– Yale philosopher Jason Stanley

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Avatar Scott September 12, 2020 at 7:34 pm

I wonder how Theodore Roosevelt and Eisenhower would take on the modern era as a candidate for POTUS. And, yes, people are of their eras, in part.

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sealintheSelkirks sealintheSelkirks September 15, 2020 at 12:54 pm

Why you bother to wonder about T Roosevelt or Eisenhower viewpoint when it comes to Trump or the ‘modern era’ of candidates I have no idea, but Eisenhower’s farewell speech is a good indication of how he might have felt. Sick to his stomach! You might want to read his take on the military/industrial/congressional (which was cut from final version) complex speech…

And here’s a cut from an article that specifically quotes Bloody Teddy in 1902 about what he was doing to the Philippines:

The US struck a deal with Spain, ending its rule there, only to introduce a new era of subjugation on the indigenous population. Armed struggle against US forces were valiant and had many successes, but they ultimately proved futile for the Filipino people. The Americans had far more lethal weaponry. Hundreds of thousands of men, women and children, were massacred, or died of starvation or disease in the imperial war of the early 20th century. Waterboarding, commonly thought to be a relatively new torture technique for American forces, was used liberally on Filipinos. The cruelty inflicted upon them was breathtaking in its depravity. The book “In Our Image,” by journalist Stanley Karnow, detailed many of these atrocities including rapes, village burnings, indiscriminate killings and concentration camps. This was a race war, as identified by the murderous American president Theodore Roosevelt in a speech he gave at Arlington Cemetery in 1902. He characterized the imperial war as “the triumph of civilization over forces which stand for the black chaos of savagery and barbarism.”

From this article at https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/09/15/american-imperialism-and-the-murder-of-jennifer-laude/

Does this help answer your wondering question? And, by the way, I have an old photograph of US Army soldiers torturing a Filipino prisoner. Tied down and drowning him, waterboarding, same as it ever was in the ‘modern’ era. And it seems we haven’t learned anything but how to change the labels on what we do. Now torture is ‘enhanced interrogation,’ kidnapping is ‘Rendition,’ prisoners of war are ‘enemy combatants’ or ‘detainees’ so they aren’t covered under the Geneva treaty, and of course the final straw was calling the murder of men, women, and children and the blowing up of their homes and towns ‘collateral damage.’ I’m thinking Teddy wouldn’t have minded a bit…

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