4900 block of Del Mar Avenue, Ocean Beach.
We have received a very credible report that there are fliers posted all over South Ocean Beach that claim two dogs have been murdered by poisoning.
The fliers claim that dogs with the names Ed and Delilah were “fed strong poisons inside of hot dog pieces”, and the dogs died a “brutal and painful” death “preceded by violent seizures.” This occurred – again according to the fliers – on the 4900 block of Del Mar Avenue.
There is a $1,000 reward, according to the fliers, for information leading to the arrests of those responsible. The fliers were placed on cars, houses, and lamp posts around the southern areas of OB. People with info are asked to call SDPD at 619-531-2000.
Here is the text of the fliers:
DOGS MURDERED
ON DEL MAR AVE.
4900 BLOCK
$1,000 REWARD
FOR INFORMATION LEADING
TO THE ARREST OF THE
SUSPECTS WHO KILLED ED
AND DELILAH
Perpetrators fed neighborhood dogs
strong poisons inside of hot dog pieces.
The deaths were brutal and painful and
preceded by violent seizures.
PLEASE CALL 619-531-2000 (SDPD)
WITH ANY INFORMATION
Witnesses reported seeing a white Lexus in the area around the time of the poisonings. This fact has been reported to the SDPD.
There’s a special place in hell for people like this. I hope they get caught.
why did they let the dogs eat the hot dogs ? what poison was it ?
Exactly why my dog doens’t take food from anyone until he gets the OK from me to do so. It’s just too horrible out there.
Judie & Fred, I get enough from my mom
Has anyone called the phone number on the fliers for additional information? Was the intake of poison verified by a vet?
The phone number listed is to the SDPD general intake line.
This does lend itself to a few questions. As incredibly horrible as this story is, and as a dog owner who considers his dog a hairy daughter, I guess my question is how the flyers are aware that poisoned hot dog pieces are the culprit. Did the owners allow their dogs to eat the hot dogs that were randomly laying on the ground? Did the dogs get into some rodent traps instead? If some people did this, the book should be thrown at them. Some more info would be helpful though.
The owner of the dogs is a vet-tech. She took the dogs to the animal hospital where she works when they began to seize. When the dogs’ stomachs were pumped, pieces of hot dogs, which were analyzed immediately at the animal hospital, were found to contain lethal poisons.
Both dogs spent time outside in an enclosed area. At some point in the morning on Monday, September 26, it is believed that someone through the poisonous hot dog pieces into the enclosed gated area. Ed and Delilah were not outside in their area at that time. They did not go into their enclosed area outside until around 3pm. The dogs were seen digging around in the gravel, underneath their cots, which was strange. 30 minutes to an hour later, Ed began to have seizures. He did not make it to the hospital alive. Delilah got sick shortly thereafter. She died at the hospital.
Please, if anyone has any information, come forward! Imagine if this happened to your family.
lethal poison
really first i heard of this and i have seen 4-5 tv reports on it…do you have some info that others do not ?? it would be horrible if that is true !
Jordan you say the hot dogs have been analyzed by expert’s and there are toxicology reports ??
I would be very interested in this can you give more details and do you know the owner of the dogs ?
She didn’t “let” the dogs eat the hot dogs, they were probably thrown over the gate into the backyard. She is a vet tech, the dog’s stomach was pumped and they found pieces of hot dog. Whoever did this is an absolute coward of the worst kind.
Did the owners have a dispute over the dogs with a neighbor? It is very rare that a dog is poisoned randomly.
It doesn’t really matter if there were problems with the dogs or not. Poisoning is not acceptable. We live in a society where we have laws and dispute resolution methods in place. Self-help and street justice have no place. Certainly, killing dogs is indisputably reprehensible, regardless of any extenuating circumstances.
Shame on whoever did this.
I think they were going with “Who would have the motive to do this” not “If the dogs were a problem it is ok”
Oh. Oops. I’m so accustomed to people supporting vigilante justice, I quickly jumped to the wrong idea. I’m sorry.
So many people hate all dogs and all dog owners, I fear it could have been fairly random. I can imagine some nutter going around, throwing tainted meat everywhere. Awhile ago, some fool put large glass shards out for dogs to step on at Fiesta Island.
I hope they figure it out. It was a dangerous thing to do and I worry that people who can do things like this are dangerous in other ways.
My friend that lives a block away has a cat that has been missing since the time of this poisoning. In the past week I’ve noticed a couple of missing dogs fliers and several missing cats posters in the same neighborhood. I hope this is just coincidence.
A little more info from Channel 10 news. It appears that the next door “neighbors” may be involved.
http://www.10news.com/news/29334143/detail.html
yeah always blame the no name no face person…thats weak if you got proof go ahead and name names …
You are hereby awarded the prize for most useless post ever. I am sure that if she has that information she has already shared it with investigators.
With no facts its just another useless story !! Somebody with a ” hunch” making a story big fing deal…get some facts and then do something about it…With facts others might be able to help the innuendo is useless …face it .
think out loud – You never have allowed facts to mold your opinions before (as I’ve observed among the commenters to this here blog), so why now, all of a sudden – you need “facts” . Did you not read the article or the Channel 10 report?
thanks to the guy entrusted with having all the facts.
Thanks to you for sharing that you never have let the facts get in your way before.
you dont know me dont pretend to. stay on topic dont get sidetracked with the past ..
please educate me as to what the necropsy results were …i guess i missed it ..
It doesn’t matter what the circumstances were in the events that led up to this. If you live in OB and you care about the community, you should be appalled. Late night muggings/beatings on Abbott along the alley’s, people poisoning dogs….this is absurd. I live here. I have a dog, I like to run in the early morning and late evening and this kind of nonsense is unacceptable. Take a stand, OB. Reprehensible, atrocious, dastardly…..plenty of words to describe this. May these people rot in hell.
Chelle, you’re being overly harsh about OB. OB is where you can give a guy $300 to come and pick up two memorial benches from the public right of way and remove them and place them in a junk yard, and get away with it.
heh? That’s a good thing?
I was trying to be truthful and yet ironic. It really did happen (check out our stories on the memorial benches). Truth is stranger than fiction.
I think whoever is responsible for this should be forced to eat the same hot dogs. I hope they burn in Hell. I will not feel ok until this person is caught.
what facts do you have that this was done intentionally ? just facts not a hunch….or an assumption…facts please …
thinking out loud– do hot dogs that cause dogs to have seizures and die come standard issue in grocery stores these days?
brittany baily: probably not is the answer to your question.
answer this: are there any facts to confirm the hot dogs were the culprit?
was the house and surrounding areas examined to sure some other chemical, ( rat poison, anti freeze, plant life etc…)or rotten food was not the reason for the animals death…
the big question is this and if you choose to ignore the other two questions i understand but please address this : What did the results of the necropsy determine?
People can have hunches and ideas and suppositions but facts are what are really actionable … any lawyer , city official or law enforcement officer will tell you that…
It is a giant stretch and leap to assume somebody poisoned your pet with out something concrete to base that on…
All these comments all these pissed off people and no real facts what a waste of time …
Hey thinking out loud – why do you continue to spout your thoughts here? If it’s such a waste of time, why have you left 4 comments to this one article?
Sinced I know I’d likely be blasted for saying it, I’ll C/P what a poster said on the News10 site:
“Not saying the dogs deserved what they got as I place the blame on the owner, if these dogs were left out to bark every day all day or night and drove some neighbor to the point of doing this. My neighbor has 2 dogs that barked all day and night at everything and at nothing. I tried to talk to them about it but they blew me off as if I was being rude and mean for asking them to do something about it. Finally I got animal control involved and they were able to get my neighbors to get a handle on it. Peace and quiet now”
I’m sure they were her babies and she cared very much for them. Had she done any special training to mitigate separation anxiety? If she was that close to them odds are pretty good they went nuts when she was gone and barked constantly. She probably never knew about that.
NOTHING JUSTIFIES THIS (so don’t even go there) but I have a hard time believing this was a random act perpretrated by someone who just happens to hate dogs, and picked hers like Steve Martin’s character in “The Jerk” got picked by a psycho who closed his eyes and opened a phone book.
Anyone here ever work swing shift or much worse, graveyard, for any length of time? Your hours leave you sleep deprived and loopy as it is, imagine if nearby a couple of large dogs started up every morning around 7:30 and constantly yelped for hours. You’d go positively nuts and in time would do some pretty crazy **** to shut them up.
Most of us wouldn’t poison them. There is talk about hearing yelling at the dogs to “shut up”. What was the response to this?
I guess I said what I wasn’t going to anyway, but let me finish with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MzjRfGdhJs
It’s not because he’s in the cage BTW. I invite all dog owners whose pets are alone while they work, to set up a camera like this and see what happens when you’re gone. If neighbors complain about barking, take it seriously and think they may be YOUR babies but this noise is an intrusion on others’ right to reasonable peace and quiet and may be leaving them sleep deprived and irrational- on the edge. It’s a small world and we all have to live in it.
They still shouldnt have been killed. That is not justice for someone being annoying!
I guess shouting it in capital letters wasn’t enough.
I was not saying this to argue with you. Im am agreeing with the part that nothing justifies this. I hate that people think they can take things into their own hands and end a life because they were annoyed. Imagine if someone didnt like their screaming little kids so they decided to cut their throats. this would not happen because they would know their were consequences. there should be harsher penalties for animal cruelty.
Well when stories start popping up about throwing poison hotdogs or cutting the throats of screaming little kids, (something that actually may be deemed more acceptable by some) that would be something to imagine wouldn’t it? There ARE laws against poisoning dogs, so there are consequences.
The most obvious and overlooked points here are that:
The owner and most here are only looking at this from the side of “my precious little babies” yet probably have no idea what goes on when they leave them alone- the closeness of them being your “babies” (your analogy with human children- hmm…) making it all the more likely they behave like wild animals. Did you see the youtube video? There are countless examples.
I’d be interested in getting the full story on whether or not the yelling about the dogs shutting up was ignored or what.
Secondly the possible factor of people losing sleep because of this. A big dog’s bark can be heard up to a block away, it’s within reason to assume within a block or less from their home someone who works a night shift is trying to sleep while they’re left at home screaming for their “mommy” to come home. Over time this leads to sleep deprivation, it affects your mental state, you get angry, edgy, quick to anger. This should not be a great mystery, many studies have been done on this.
Your babies, their monsters, a person pushed to a mental state where they’d do something that would normally be irrationally cruel. To them it may have seemed like survival measures at the time.
All I am saying is look at the other side of the street and understand why someone might have taken such extreme measures. Of course you or I would never have done such a thing but it would be advisable for all dog owners to take heed of this incident and maybe see if their own dog has this problem.
Approaching it from the point of view that the perpetrator was just a villainous monster and had no reason at all to do this just leaves the door open for it to happen again. If you can’t see that your “babies” (human or canine) could be viewed by others as “monsters” when their behaviour is bad that’s quite a detachment from reality.
I work a graveyard shift and have been exposed to plenty of annoying sounds. Want to know what I did? I BOUGHT SOME NOISE CANCELLING EARPLUGS! I also paid my neighbors $20 once to stop weed whacking because I was trying to sleep. If someone goes so far as to commit a crime over sleep depervation they need to be locked up and evaluated by professionals because that person is obviously wired wrong. Fun fact, murders always go back to the scene of the crime and do everything to make themselves not come off as suspect. I would believe this person is a neighbor and is watching over the development of this case very carefully.
Elle- you are so right. Noise canceling earplugs have saved my sanity and my sleep. I used to routinely work Saturday mornings and it was rough getting up after a long, loud Friday night birthday party on my block.
Sometimes it is much better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.
“If someone goes so far as to commit a crime over sleep depervation they need to be locked up and evaluated by professionals because that person is obviously wired wrong. ”
Not following you there, shouldn’t they be locked up for the crime they commit?
(LOL, so if I’m tired and cranky and want to get home, would you lock me up because I jaywalked and didn’t wait for the “walk” signal?)
Note I’m not JUSTIFYING this as a suitable measure, I’m RATIONALIZING why someone would do this other than they felt like killing a dog for fun.
It may put a person in a state of mind to do something they normally wouldn’t.
Such a person is definately wired “different” from you or I but “wrong” is in the eye of the beholder. I notice you also have introduced a “dogs equal to humans” analogy to this, possibly unintentionally, with the murder comment.
You know in Iraq (and most of the middle east) they kick dogs around in the streets, leave them to die from disease and starvation, and it’s rare for anyone to keep them as pets?
You most farms in the US traditionally keep a cat around the barn to keep the rodents down, and if it has a litter they usually take the kittens, put them in a burlap sack with rocks in it and throw it in a river?
To many people in many cultures, animals, even ones you might think of as “your babies” are expendable.
As for the earplugs I’m glad they worked for you, they don’t for everyone. I worked from 7pm to 7 am 3 of the 4 years I was in the military, and 4-12 midnight for a number of years in a civilian job, and I always found them uncomfortable and inneffective.
Moreover, a person should not be required to wear earplugs for the solution to this problem, the problem is the incessantly barking dog.
John-Would you care to tell me more ways in which to kill animals- NOT? The point is two dogs died for a terrible reason. For the record, if you were tired and jaywalking I would hope you got a ticket ( not jail time ) instead of getting hit.
(just want to establish for the record the “rationale” I was presenting was of course speculation, based on other speculation presented in this event- we don’t know that is the reason at all.)
I actually don’t jaywalk very often, if at all. It sets a bad example when kids see you do it and they may end up getting hit. We all have had times when we’re patiently waiting for the walk signal, and someone walks up next to you, pauses, then darts across the street. The thought to follow is strong to try and resist. In kids it’s irresistable.
If only the killer of these dogs had ” lit that candle” Anna.
Readers of the dog poisoning article: please see the new posting: http://obrag.org/?p=46318
Ed: yeah I read it contrary to what may be the impression .
in fact I read it rather closely;
allegedly…. implied …..un-named neighbors……may have been responsible…..apparently poisoned ….
hummm your an attorney i think….little facts here even for 10 news ….the story facts were not vetted …
I am the owner of the dogs. I do have facts, but until I get all of the information (like the results from the toxocology report) Im not going to release them so I can catch the bastard that killed half of my family.
Thank you to everyone for your kind words and eagerness to see justice served.
This whole thing hinges on those tox reports if I understand the story correctly.
Can you please keep this blog posted on those reports. Any idea when they will become available?
You will know as soon as I do. I am eagerly awaiting them, but unfortunately they can take as long as months to finish the multiple tests.
I do some things with the local paper can you contact me. 619 9552719.
tks .
To John,
You have a lot to say about something you know nothing about.
#1. I’m sorry you lost your dogs, I really am.
#2. I’m only going on the information I have available, which includes this from the KGTV piece linked to above:
” Investigators with county animal services have few clues, which include frequent shouts from the apartment complex next door directed at neighborhood dogs to “shut up.””
Do you really believe this was a random act of someone who has an intense hatred of dogs and randomly picked yours out of the blue?
I admitted that much of what I was posting was speculative, but even if it doesn’t apply in this case don’t you think it’s a good idea to make dog owners aware of separation anxiety and what their dogs might be doing while they’re left alone, if there are “monsters” out there poisoning dogs?
Just so you don’t have to speculate, let me clear a few things up. I am an emergency veterinarian technician and a very responsible pet owner. This means I work swing and graveyard shifts, and because of my job the dogs come with me to work. I know more than anyone the importance of proper training. Not only were both of my dogs blood donors and saved other dogs lives, but they were also used to train new employees. They slept in the house and when they were placed in the dog run THEY DID NOT BARK. I know this because I trained them not to and because I just had a baby and have been home the past 3 weeks. If they barked I would know! This is OB; almost every neighbor I have has dogs. There is always barking on my street during the day along with large planes flying over and fog horns. Again, I know this because I work swing and graveyard shifts. I am constantly sleep deprived. I’m glad you feel it’s your civic duty to inform pet owners of separation anxiety, but if you want to play devil’s advocate you should pick victimless crimes because you sound like a heartless ass. And for your apology… you can save it. I’m sorry that I wasted my time explaining things to you and allowed you to upset me even further. I didn’t think that was possible.
Deborah,
I’m so sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing some more of the more personal details with us.
The whole notion of the dogs are to blame or the owner is to blame bothers me a lot. Killing pets is a violent act. The next violent act could be against a person directly rather than indirectly. It’s a serious crime that puts the public at risk. You and your dogs, though, have suffered a real and profound violation.
I’m glad to know how responsible you were. It’s really great that you got to take your dogs to work and good for you for letting them donate blood. But even so, if they had barked or pooped or dug up a lawn or whatever else dogs might do, it’s still no excuse for the violence perpetrated against you all. If dogs are being a nuisance, neighbors should address the problem directly with the owners or file a complaint. That’s what rational, law-abiding citizens do.
Whoever did this to you is not a law-abiding citizen. He or she is a danger to society and I am grateful you are taking all possible steps to see we are all protected from whoever did this.
The “blame the dog/owner” thing is a dangerous way of thinking. It excuses violent, dangerous, sociopathic behavior and blames the victims. It is somewhat analogous to saying a rape victim deserved to be raped because of what she was wearing.
Before someone responds back about my analogy and pointing out that dogs are not people, I will say that I know very well that dogs are not people. But we all know that dogs are not mere chattel, either. There is a bond between people and their pets that elevates them above our toasters and we all know it. Whoever did this to you and your dogs knows it, too.
So again, I thank you for choosing to share some of your personal details with us and for working to protect us all by pursuing this. I’m so, so sorry any of this happened to you and your dogs. When you find out more, I hope you share it with us.
Take care.
Louisa
Thank You. The preliminary results are back on the toxocology report and strychnine and the usual baits are ruled out. This leaves drugs (the really bad ones). The final report will take more time. Thank you again for your response.
“It is somewhat analogous to saying a rape victim deserved to be raped because of what she was wearing.”
Well we know why men rape women, what I’ve been trying to deduce is a rationalization for the perpetrator to have done this other than he is a monster who hates dogs.
“But even so, if they had barked or pooped or dug up a lawn or whatever else dogs might do, it’s still no excuse for the violence perpetrated against you all. ”
Well that’s a much more diplomatic way of positing what I have been wondering but she’s angrily insisted this is not the case at all. Perhaps she’ll be equally more diplomatic about saying this to you?
“You have a lot to say about something you know nothing about.”
Look I’m not the “heartless ass” I may come off as, and I don’t even mind the name calling by her as much as the insult toward my intelligence of being called wrong without a convincing rebuttal of my talking points, which you seem to begrudgingly concurr with.
I’m only speaking from experience of owning several dogs, and knowing how they miss their owners when alone, no matter how they behave in their presence….
From knowing people who stubbornly insist their loved ones can do no wrong and will angrily reject any criticism of them….
And having a roommate many years ago who used to brag that he was going to fire “d-con meatballs” with a slingshot at the dog across the canyon who barked at nothing all day while the owner was at work.
He was a real ***hole and don’t anyone dare try and associate that sentiment as my own.
What I have no experience with is hearing of anyone who just kills a random pair of dogs because they are “a monster”.
Conspicuously missing from the descriptions about how much you loved your dogs and how you knew they couldn’t be barking while you were gone BECAUSE YOU WERE HOME WITH A BABY AND WOULD HAVE HEARD THEM was:
A. any description of having ever set up a camera to record their activities in the times you were NOT with them, which you seem to be oblivious that treating them like children and having them with you most of the time made it all the more likely they freaked out when you were gone.
B. any description of how you responded to, as reported in the KGTV story, reports that neighbors were yelling at dogs to “shut up”. Your responses to my comments which really weren’t out of line turning into personal attacks, which I have not made to you, and relentless defense that your animals could do no wrong, suggest what your response would be.
C. An answer to this: “Do you really believe this was a random act of someone who has an intense hatred of dogs and randomly picked yours out of the blue?”
Is this what you think happened?
And what makes you suggest I am playing devil’s advocate, did I not SHOUT above “NOTHING JUSTIFIES THIS (so don’t go there)”?
As another user said “I think they were going with “Who would have the motive to do this” not “If the dogs were a problem it is ok”
You seem to be dancing around several uncomfortable facts and find it more convenient to demonize and take out your anger on me instead.
A. I don’t need a camera. I have 3 other neighbors that share a courtyard and between the 5 of us (my husband and I included) there is always someone home. I would have been notified if my dogs were barking. Yes they were treated like children, but disciplined children.
B. There is a neighbor that has a dog that barks for a few hours during the day, and they have been spoken to about it by me personally. I was assured that the training process had already begun before this nightmare started. How is it not an attack when I have to continue to defend and explain myself to you? Your first post C/P a statement placing blame on the owner, then you continue accusing me of not training properly.
C. If it was because of barking… my dogs were falsely accused and targeted because of opportunity. They were allowed outside to play in a dog run.
I have a hard time believing that it was a random act of violence because of the calculated nature of the crime. To get to our dog run from the ally, you have to move 4 trash cans and get through 2 fences. To come through the courtyard you would pass all 3 condos (with lots of open windows) when one of us is always home. Either way it’s ballzy.
For the record I am not dancing around anything. You rambled on and on so much it’s hard to hit every topic without writing a blog version of War and Peace.
Can you please just stop. Everytime I come on this site you have something to say or ague about. You seem defensive. Every word that you type makes me physically sick! Just stop already. Let the owner be sad over what has happened and just let it rest. Stop trying to see the side of the evil person who did this.
I think that is what this blog is designed for, not all people have the same viewpoints on matters. He has the right to say what he likes. You have the right to not read it or ignore it.
The facts are confusing in this story for sure.
The Community would like to know was it random?
The Community would like to know was it poison?
That’s not asking a lot. Neither one of those 2 questions have clear answers.
The full toxicology reports will be very helpful.
In light of another story on this web blog , it seems poison is being used at local parks to kill gophers, maybe that’s the culprit…
I was wondering when someone would come up with this notion. It is possible, as many things are, but unlikely. Only these two dogs were hurt. They both showed symptoms at the same time. Massive bleeding and coagulation issues does not appear to be one of the symptoms. The dogs’ stomach contents included food not given by the owner. The County Department of Animal Control felt, given the fact that both dogs showed symptoms at almost the same time, this was unlikely to be an accident.
It could conceivably be the poison used in the parks, I suppose, but I will be surprised if that turns out to be the case. It seems like a stretch.
I’m with you, Tina. Tired of the “rationalization.” stuff, but interested to know how the test results finally turn out and hope law enforcement is able to prove what happened exactly. Also feeling very sorry for the owner who has to choose whether to read the thread or leave us all to wonder. She has no duty to keep us informed, after all. I hope she sticks it out, regardless.
“and hope law enforcement is able to prove what happened exactly.”
Would they be criticized for “rationalizing” why the perpetrators would do such a thing, crucial to even identifying a suspect?
Do not mistake analyzing the criminal mind for anything other than just that. Similar crimes that happen to humans locally get played out by readers in forums of news sites and invariably involve discussions of motive, opportunity, etc. Plenty of examples exist.
At no point have I initiated or returned any personal attacks and the tone of discussion has been analytical, not to denigrate Deborah. I have nothing to do with this event, Tina seems to actually impy I do with the “you seem defensive” comment. Please get a grip, people.
I know my dog snaps up anything he can off the ground and it scares me.Who knows what he could end up ingesting? One time he ate a whole pack of diet pills and we had to take him to emergency.I found the empty pill container and realized what happened.If I hadnt noticed and symptoms came on 1st he may not have made it.What if someone dropped medication by accident and did not retrieve all of it? Has that been ruled out at all?A poisonous plant? weed killer? Perhaps the hotdog piece was there seperatly and not laced with drugs to intentionally kill dogs?Did you have the dogfood they ate last tested?I know there have been many cases of bad food killing dogs.I am in no way trying to be mean.I just like to think OBecians are better than this and perhaps this was an accident.
Comments are now closed on this thread. If the owner of these dogs would like to contact us with the results of toxicology reports we be happy to do a follow up. Thanks.
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