Memorial Day

by on May 31, 2011 · 24 comments

in Civil Rights, Veterans, War and Peace


(originally posted May 26, 2008.)

Editor: As the text within the graphic above states this was produced in 1963 by Dana Junior High School students who were in print shop. It is interesting to note that Steve Zivolich and Frank Gormlie were both involved in the anti-Viet Nam war movement at their respective college campuses back in the late sixties and early seventies.

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avatar Dickie May 26, 2008 at 1:06 pm

. . . and that was the start of your brilliant graphics career!!! Nice image Frank; you must have been real cute then . . .


avatar Frank Gormlie May 26, 2008 at 1:10 pm

Yeah, Patty & I found it as we were looking for old OB Rags in the boxes in the garage. And true, I’m still raking in millions from my ‘brilliant graphics career’ …


avatar Dave Gilbert May 25, 2009 at 10:46 am

Thanks Frank!

I give my heartfelt thanks this Memorial Day to all of this country’s fighting men and women who paid the ultimate sacrifice by giving their own lives so that we could have our freedoms.

I think that in this day and age we can get too caught up in our daily lives, even to the point where we easily forget to remember and acknowledge those who gave their lives so that we could live ours in such a positive & productive manner…if we so choose.

I would also be remised if I didn’t include and thank the indigenous Braves who fought and died for this land as well.


avatar lane tobias May 25, 2009 at 1:38 pm

I think its safe to say that on Memorial Day most people do not even think about the lives of those who made the ultimate sacrifice – particularly wars that utilized the draft – but instead prefer to focus on a day off from work and a bbq.

I personally indulge in the holiday aspect but, as the grandson of a purple heart recipient from WW1 who died decades later from complications of his injuries, I also understand that wars inevitably lead to good people losing their lives. It is definitely a good day to reflect on how much we take for granted, and provides a great backdrop to discuss the wars we’re involved with now and what we can do to stop more innocent people from dying.

I agree DG – indigenous peoples gave their lives protecting their land in what was a lopsided battle from the start. Lost in all the talk of American freedom and the pursuit of happiness are the many communities that have been destroyed in that pursuit of liberty.

My heart goes out to ANYONE who was killed for a righteous cause, as well as those who perished for a not so righteous cause.


avatar Wireless Mike May 25, 2009 at 7:42 pm

Thank You to all the people who suffered, sacrificed or died so that we Americans have the freedom to think for ourselves and to disagree with each other. It is that freedom that makes this blog possible. This is a good day to reflect on what we have, how we got it, and how to protect it.


avatar Frank Gormlie May 31, 2010 at 8:28 pm

I think Steve, Mike and I produced this in Spring 1963. I’ve recently been in touch with Steve via facebook and asked him to check out our homepage.


avatar urnmyart May 31, 2010 at 11:13 pm

To those who served and those who served and died – I thank you.


avatar david June 1, 2010 at 5:19 am

when i was seventeen ,1967, a friend and i got in trouble at school, cutting class to go surfing if i remember right. this was not the first time we had been caught breaking school rules so it was no surprise when we were both called in to the principles office. we were introduced to a couple of army recruiters and given choices. my friend Stein, his mother dead and his father the town drunk, could enlist or go to juvenile hall. i was offered expulsion or military service. i chose expulsion. Stein, still not eighteen, showed up in vietnam just in time for the Tet offensive. he was in country for less than two weeks before he was killed. i would never betray my friend Stein by thanking him for dying in a war that no one has has ever explained to my satisfaction had anything to do with mine or any other americans freedom, or pursuit of happiness.
i do grieve for the young men and women whose lives are fodder for what we all know are the market forces and political ambitions that motivate modern war. but i will not so blithely dismiss the tragedy of their deaths by rationalizing this horror with empty bromides that have no meaningful connection with reality.
1971, four years after Stein’s death. and now i carry a gun on the streets of oakland. i have the gun because i do guard duty for the Black Panther Party. when the panthers armed them selves to protect their community from police violence i saw and felt for the first time that feeling of willingness to put my life at risk for the sake of the safety and freedom of people i loved, people who i considered to be my brothers and sisters.i am also spending a lot of time with soldiers. they are all combat veterans from vietnam who are now joining up with bay area revolutionaries and acting as teachers on how to handle weapons and tactics for urban insurrection.
1998, a lot of years have passed since the end of the vietnam war and many more young people, most of them like Stein, innocent, have lost their lives in the never ending american military mission to protect my freedom which i am using to drive a cab in san francisco. i get a drunk vietnam vet in my cab and right away he starts in with that ridiculous crap about how we could have won the war if the politicians had some backbone. i am thinking to myself that it must be tough to sustain that wall inside oneself between the lies that helps you feel good and the truths that are too horrible to face, that the war was never about freedom or happiness, that the more vietnamese that died at hands of americans, the more determined they were to fight, just as you would if a foreign army had invaded your home town and was doing the same things to your family that you were doing 10,000 miles from your home. i am weary of this fellow and my first instinct to humor him goes out the window when he starts in on me because i opposed the war, calls me a peace pussy. thats it, i rip up his platitudes about the war. i tell him who i hold responsible , Johnson, Nixon, Kissenger. i tell him about the six months jail time i did after being busted at an antiwar rally. and just as i think that things are going to get really bad, that i am going to have to notify my dispatcher that i need police assistance, he leans his head over the seat , i see his face and i see the tears. he says to me “brother, i am glad you didn’t go” i am stunned. after all these years and all the arguments about the war its never been as real as this moment. i told him something i had never got a chance to say to so many of my peers ” brother, i am so glad you made it home”. a little after two in the morning on a san francisco street two grown men weep in this small moment of stunning truth.
2010, i am in ocean beach and its memorial day. all day long i have been watching the the twenty somethings give thanks for sunny beach weather and cold beer. we have been at war in iraq for eight years and afghanistan even longer. too bad more wars doesn’t add up to more freedom from unemployment, home foreclosures, and bankruptcy . me, i think that all these wars did was allow the thieves on wall street the freedom to rob the country in broad daylight , get away with it and even get bonuses. i am sure everyone of them is thankful for the american soldiers who made all this possible. and how about those oil execs, they used their freedom from regulatory oversight won with the blood of our young to act recklessly and inflict a serious wound to our mother earth and make billions of dollars in the process. you gotta love that kind of freedom.
now i know from some of the earlier posts that there are going to be those want to say to me i should be thankful to my friend Stein and the many others who sacrificed so that i could have the freedom to express my dissent. to them i say “bullshit, get real!
if you truly grieve for the fallen then show your outrage at those who put them in harms way for the most cynical ambitions. and i extend this challenge. if you are so sure that there is a demonstrable connection between any american military action post world war two and our freedom than prove it. there is only one rule, you have to be concrete, no delusional platitudes, they have proven to be too deadly.


avatar Frank Gormlie June 1, 2010 at 7:36 am

So awesome, David, it brought tears to me eyes.


avatar Steve Zivolich June 1, 2010 at 8:49 am

Frank, thanks for the blast from the past joint publication credit. I also admire the comments of David and others regarding Memorial day. My heart and gratitude goes out to all who have given so much to our country through their military service, as well as their families. At the same time, I agree with many of the thoughts expressed by David’s comments. I also remember our school “teachers” pushing is toward the military. During our Vietnam era I spent my time organizing, draft counseling etc. in opposition to that sad chapter in our more resent military history. Again I have the greatest admiration for many of my current friends who survived that ordeal with the title of Viet Vets, and or boat people. Our more recent adventures in IRAQ, sadly are giving us more of the same. “Let’s hope the new boss, is not just like the old boss”.


avatar Frank Gormlie June 1, 2010 at 9:17 am

Steve, even though we knew each other in junior and senior high school, we lost contact after that, but now it appears we traveled similar paths. I too became an anti-war activist and started the original OB Rag as a way to bring the anti-war movement to the community level. I am very proud of you, Steve, for your sacrifices too. And I too liked David’s comments and posted them as an article just now. See you in the surf on the 24th ?


avatar Frank Gormlie June 1, 2010 at 9:18 am

Hey, aren’t you impressed that I saved a copy of our work, dude? Did you recognize it or even remember it after all these eons?


avatar Goatskull May 30, 2011 at 1:34 pm

I salute all of those who paid the ultimate sacrifice as well as those who managed to come back in one piece. We should NEVER forget that whether or not we are justified in our actions out there. To those who are indifferent, I salute you with a middle finger.


avatar Goatskull May 30, 2011 at 2:08 pm

“We should NEVER forget that whether or not we are justified in our actions out there.”

Oh and I forgot to add, we are NOT justified in our actions. I meant to put that in parenthesis.


avatar unwashedWalmarTthong May 30, 2011 at 11:10 pm

We will never extricate ourselves from the web the warmongers have woven around us. They take the power; they take the money; and then they commemorate those that fought so that the weak & meek will not stand up for what is right. The wars fought since WWII have not been just wars, but the wars continue. Those that steal the money & the power erect the ersatz memorials to the fallen.
In La Mesa Fletcher Parkway has been dubbed Veteran Memorial Parkway. There’s a canon in front of the VFW in La Mesa. Interstate 15 is Semper Fi Highway, is it not? The ugliest icon in San Diego sits atop Mt. Soledad, and it’s surrounded by plaques of death. We are surrounded by memorials that salute the dead that have fallen in disgusting conflicts at all points of the compass. We who aspire for a peaceful existence on this earth have nearly nothing. We work. We protest. We are arrested, bound, flung around like paper in the wind; and the fascists in uniform continue to wage war against us in the streets & against others in foreign nations. Even now the idiots parade around in their cars w/ the “Support Our Troops” stickers; the infamous fucking ribbon that Tony Orlando & Dawn commenced decades ago has become the insignia of the ridiculous; it’s a flaming ridiculosity. It’s a badge worn by the ignorant to show the power brokers, the fucking govorporation, that they haven’t done their homework to determine who the hell has stolen the money to wage the wars to kill the people. We have killed the people. We have met the enemy . . . .
P.S. Ships have masts. Flags are flown at half staff.


avatar Goatskull May 31, 2011 at 8:42 am

You sure said a mouthfull.


avatar Goatskull May 31, 2011 at 8:58 am

Perhaps you should consider volunteering your time with some of these. You don’t have to agree with the war to volunteer your time to help our vets. The first one is what I suggest although at this time they won’t be taking any volunteers until July. Look at some young kid in the eyes who lost both his limbs from spepping on a mine and then tell him he’s an idot.


avatar Goatskull May 31, 2011 at 9:52 am

“spepping” Fat fingered it again. I meant stepping.


avatar unwashedwalmartThong May 31, 2011 at 11:08 am

Post September 11 I was trying to relate to my ninth grade students the follies of the govorporation’s policies in the middle east. Tough to do when the intricacies of governments, economics, war contractors, limited resources (oil, water) are enmeshed within the corruption we have worldwide.
Thanks for list, Goatskull. Now, is that skull sundried & lying somewhere in the desert, or is it still within the confines of a live quadruped w/ horns carved w/ a snappy slogan, like No GOP?


avatar Goatskull May 31, 2011 at 1:32 pm

Uh no, it’s not lying in the desert anywhere (last I checked anyway). I’m not a combat veteran (technically not), but I know quite a few who are. Why? Does that make my opinion less valid?


avatar unwashedwalmartThong May 31, 2011 at 5:02 pm



avatar Goatskull May 31, 2011 at 5:59 pm

Good (I think).


avatar Marilyn Steber June 1, 2011 at 10:55 am

Thank you for this article, and for your graphic. Linoleum cut? Do they still learn that?
Let us remember that May 30 is the day we recall the memory of men (mostly) who fought to Preserve the Union. That was what General Logan intended when he issued the order to the Grand Army of the Republic. Sons of Union Veterans and Daughters of Union Veterans of the Civil War 1861-1865 are dismayed that the day has become a day to remember other events. (Memorial Day is NOT the beginning of Summer.)


avatar Old Hermit Dave May 27, 2013 at 5:19 pm

A Poem By
Old Hermit Dave

We should honor our troops no matter WAR type
WW-2 REAL or 9/11/01 AL-CIAda FAKE tripe

Fake WARS last lot longer than real
Give super rich more money to steal

World Wars between Super Powers can’t happen again
Thanks to inventing weapons that pollute a RICH PEN

Taking control of Worlds crazies was a smart move
With help from controlled MEDIA, rich hit a grove

Set up a disaster that fuels massive fear
Curb Human freedom, make all adhere

Make enemy huge by claiming it is Islamic
Throw in a TALL HITLER, make it Atomic

Invade two innocent Countries, make it look like a WAR
Countries have little firepower, making Super Powers star

Our brave troops died for Heroin and Oil
Set up and real crazies made terror boil

Now we live in World where FEAR makes the rich money
Unless personal intelligence stops them, not go on honey


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