The ‘hate mail’ we received over our opposition to the ‘bum’ sticker

by on July 12, 2010 · 39 comments

in Culture, Ocean Beach

hate mailIt’s one thing to have the OB Rag blog on the front cover of both the Union-Tribune and the LA Times over the homeless and the ‘bums’ sticker controversies, but it’s quite another to monitor the hate mail, the mail filled with anger, and other vulgar comments that we have received over the past month because of our strident advocacy of the rights of the homeless.

So, we thought we’d share some of these time-honored missiles shot our way over the internet/ and email. These are samples of the hate and angry mail, but the hate is not always directed at us, as you will undoubtedly see for yourself. We post them so that they will appear to be anonymous. Be forewarned – many of these comments drip with sarcasm and vulgarity, are very angry, and many take shots at us, me personally, the churches, and the different groups of homeless (bullet points indicate a new email):

  • The media always gets the story wrong!!!!!!! I know for a fact that this sticker has nothing to do with groups feeding the homeless…… It’s a sticker intended to get some laughs and you would have to live in OB to understand what B.S. we put up with every single day. We are members of this community and we are sick and tired of being asked every minute we are outside for money, cigarettes, blah, blah, blah… as you may have noticed that the bum is walking a dog…. why the heck does a person who can not take care of himself have a dog? Oh I know the dog does the begging for the both of em!!!!! Feel sorry for these people who can clearly work? RUBBISH

This has been a problem way before the economy took a dive! I know first hand I live and work there!!!! Get your facts straight, maybe you should take a stroll down Newport ave and I’ll bet you will be purchasing one of these stickers for yourself. It’s kinda like the tweekers suck sticker they sell that sticker also, are you gonna boycott the store for them? It’s a choice for the people who the sticker is portraying. They are lazy, no working, don’t give anything back to the community come here and hang on our streets and beg from the people who work, live, shop, and visit here. Yum there’s nothing like someone’s scabby face, dirty hands, ass hanging out of their clothes, stench of B-O, urine, blood and filth when you are in line at a liquor store trying to buy some smokes and shove them in your purse so nobody sees you coming out with them…. get a grip this is reality, I like this sticker, it makes me laugh. This sticker isn’t talking about the guy with no legs in the wheelchair, the Vietnam vet, the guy with the multiple personalities, the lady who takes her clothes off! It’s about the broke and traveling !! Do you people live here, are you blind?

  • Oh, yes…I’m judging people I don’t know. I’ve never met the people who have been through my car 3 times in the past month & taking what I worked hard to own, but I’m judging them. I’ve never met the people roaming the sidewalks, spitting large phlegm-balls in the street and shouting out profanities around the kindergarteners as they walk from the local school to visit Santa by the OB Tree, but I’m judging them. I’ve never met the guy sleeping in the bushes and defecating outside the elementary school gates, forcing the school to remove said bushes, but I’m judging him. I have compassion for the woman carrying around a bat and mumbling incoherently while taking swings at the tables & structures at Dusty Rhodes park, but I’m judging her as unsafe to be around and a threat to my family. Feeding, defending, and giving money to people for doing nothing but asking while showing no respect for their environment is not helping anyone. Offer help to those that want it by helping them find a way to a shelter. The rest can be carted off to jail…my compassion for the riff-raff is quickly diminishing.
  • maybe you’ve missed signs, cards, etc., making fun of hippies, raw fooders, surfers, skaters, musicians, yuppies, crippled people, etc., but they’ve been all over newport for a long time. We all know some decent homeless folks, and some kooks. The stickers are great and will likely let the trolls know they are not welcome- everyone else knows what a benevolent community OB is and if you can’t handle some long over due stickers, I think you should lighten up.
  • Frank, I enjoyed your comment about our other “guests”. And while we’re surely no PB, there is something gratifying about them getting in their cars and driving east of I-5 come 2:00 am.

Their is error on your part, I have helped homeless in the past, and I continue to help them in the present. But I digress! Frank, take a walk outside. Have you failed to notice how many “homeless”, as you put it, are young able bodied men, typically not San Diego natives? Am I the only one noticing this new breed of vermin, slithering in to OB? It is not the people I have a problem with. I can even condone their slovenly behavior and complete lack of hygiene. I am merely taking their actions at face value. The actions of feral children, running amok in you neighborhood Frank!

Ever step on a human turd with your bare feet after surfing?  I find it laughable that you are calling me a vigilante when all I really wanna do is take legal responssible action for my community.

I ask you this Frank: what results are you hoping to achieve by leaving them be and doing absolutely nothing?!  Those that don’t make effort, justify their sloth by picking nits with those that are trying to make a difference.

If you put more effort into your witty reply than you do into taking action, then you my friend, are part of the problem! Kirk out!

  • Its a sticker, a joke…Im amazed at how many people are upset over one little sticker. There are thousands of OFFENSIVE joke t-shirts that attack and satirize EVERY race, gender, religion and character. In one year no one will even remember this sticker…get over it. I’ll be buying mine tomorrow.
  • I plan to spend $250 on the stickers, just so I can pass them out for free. It’s better than giving money to the Junky Bums that seem to Scum up our City. Thanks, for telling me where to buy them.
  • I am surprised your local sponsors are going along with your plan to boycott an OB business. Maybe everyone should avoid all the merchants until this issue is fully resolved. Also, you could issue an OB Rag sticker to certify a business is homeless friendly and boycott anyone who fails to meet your standards.
  • “The romantic ‘hippiness’”??? Oh, please! There’s nothing “romantic” about being lazy and sponging off hard working people. These bums need to get a job and stop promoting their spoiled sense of entitlement. The Black’s position has nothing to do with hatred – unless it is a hatred of laziness, which I’m all for. Keep up the good work, The Black! Believe me – there are WAY more people out there who agree with your position than oppose it. I don’t smoke, but I’m going to visit your shop and spend some money there just because of your courage to speak the truth.
  • I plan to go down there and buy something today, even though I don’t need anything, just to support The Black for standing up not only to the homeless trash but also the way you are villainizing them on this site.
  • Can I ask where you were born and raised? Was it in a place where hypodermic needles and broken bottles hide beneath shallow sand? In a place where dirty and rude, not to mention fully physically able 20 somethings lined store fronts and street corners? This is where I came from, who are you to take a stand in our home.
  • Why don’t you come down and clean up the homeless mess on a daily basis. You are completely out of touch. These people are dangerous and extremely dirty. I wake up almost every day and have to pick up human waist.   Wake up and stop enabling the ongoing rise in this problem.  You are also the problem.
  • Fuck those hypocrites at The Black anyway. They’ve make money of hard drug paraphernalia for decades, and now they anoint themselves the arbiters of what constitutes a scourge on the community? The Black and their proprietors are in a glass house throwing stones. Go back to what you do best: selling glass dicks to crackheads and sniff-bullets to tweekers.
  • Homeless people are worse then jews and niggers. Kill all of the panhandling fools. [From KKK in San Diego]
  • I’m so tired of people taking the side of “humans” that want to be who they are and exactly where there are in life…I live in Hillcrest and I see these young able-bodied bums all around and they do get quite salty with their words. When you CHOOSE to live your life like that then that’s NOT my problem. We teach kids not to demand things from people and we make them say thank you and your welcome…how are this “kids” any difffernt. And it really cracks me up when some people say that we will feed dogs but not humans….well the last time I checked a dog cannot go to school and get an education and make something of themselves so they can get a job and become productive and buy their OWN FOOD! thats the difference! I bet the same people who are on the side of the bums, and yes, that’s what they are, are the same people who are against the illegal immigrants. WHEN are we going to start making everyone in our society accountable for their own actions…next your going to tell me that it’s because they’ve had bad childhoods…wah, wah…stand in line!! PICK YOURSELF UP AND GET A F*%&N JOB. And by the way, I love OB but it does need some cleaning up.
  • Hmm how difficult it is to be a bum in San Diego: balmy annual climate, gorgeous public restrooms, beautiful beaches, plenty o’ grub and grog outside of a myriad of diverse restaurants and a liberal population that does nothing to hinder the their daily existence….tax-free, free medical clinics, soup kitchens are also fringe benefits associated with such a ‘job title’…pretty good living by ANY global standard no less much more luxurious a life than those out there protecting our freedom with combat arms! In other parts of the county, bums are ‘checked’ by a natural form of social feedback on a daily basis and usually by those that only ‘eat what they kill’ in the marketplace. Someone walks down my street wearing a backpack or pushing someones stolen personal property (shopping cart) and they’re not looking the part of a someone prepping for a trek in the Tetons or a their cart isn’t full of hard-earned groceries, I harass them or call the police to do my bidding. Is this wrong of me to employ a neighborhood watch style of system for bums? If it seems so I can almost guarantee that you are under 30 years old or have never been exposed to any real violence. For those of you over 30, want to raise your children near these fellows patrolling your neighborhood for garbage and a place to make a fort? Most men would like me would like to know where this fellow is headed since there is no campground within 20 miles of my street. Yes ladies, more often than not, men take it upon themselves to do a families dirty work of protecting their property and although the job is sometimes daunting the job comes with a great deal of pride as ultimately we cannot rely upon anyone to protect ourselves, outr families and our personal property. The police has a job to protect ‘the public’ not Robert Zimmerman (Bob Dylan’s real name) everytime he has a bum picking the fruit off his trees and urinating on his belived begonia’s.

Unfortunately mental illness runs rampant throughout the bums ranks and this makes them extremely dangerous and unpredictable. If you think tax dollars should be used to help these folks, you are supporting but just one of 100’s of passions that people have and I think the money should be used to rehabilitate wounded combat veterans before anyone else..my passion…everyone has their own so let’s leave the tax dollars out of it.

Bottom line is that coastal San Diego is one of the most expensive places to live in the world and only those that can afford to live here should, that is the law of natural selection in our culture whether you want to believe it or not: pay the freight or ship out. If the limo liberals that live in OB had any intestinal fortitude they would socially’ ‘check’ (as in hockey folks) these bums and tell them to head East where the living is more affordable and the country boys will give these bums a little something more to think about the next time they want to denigrate someone’s personal property. Get tough or just wait and ‘coexist’ until one of these bums harms something close to you. After 60 years of working in more than 25 countries around the world I know first hand that people only respond to one thing-pain! Start doling or start receiving, you might be next?!

  • So you don’t agree with Frank and the OBRag tactics of demonizing those who are fed up with the actions of the transient panhandlers in OB, by calling them bigots
  • It’s almost as if the license plates are true….”OB…surrounded by reality” So. Out here in reality….Since you’ve apparently not even looked to find out what is going on with this issue, I’ll fill you villagers in. (I hope villager isn’t dehumanizing…jeesh). Is anyone here even aware of the City of San Diego’s current efforts and the proposed plans for a future permanent shelter? I don’t see anyone making any real reports on this…..so allow me to offer some facts.

City Council has begun public outreach to all community groups on the issue over a year ago and will be discussing it further in committee next month. The issue is a priority and has been underway for quite some time. The real issue here is the centralization of homeless services and the creation of a permanent homelessness facility with a full spectrum of services offered.

But thanks for letting people know that the church has a plan for OB. Great….now it is solved. Seeing as how the church is already running a decentralized service by feeding homeless… .they are actually “voting” by actions that they don’t support a centralized program…or they just don’t know or understand how the only effective programs on homelessness are organized. Only centralized services work.

Solution for what though??? How many homeless are really in OB? Has anyone really done a point-in-time count? Besides local business owners and some sticker buyers complaining on a blog….I’m not convinced we have a homelessness problem in OB. And we certainly don’t require services. Providing food and temp shelter only exacerbates your problem of people living on the street and not making choices to change their lives. If you don’t have a full spectrum program with housing, education and focused services…it doesn’t work! And the real problem has been over and over and over with aggressive panhandling and people breaking the current law and behaving badly. Well…..that is a police enforcement issue, and damn right for business owners calling the cops and getting some of these people punished for breaking those rules. If you can’t play with the other kids….you gotta go.

… Shame on you Frank. You are again sensationalizing a NON-issue (like the fire pits) for some other gain than the community. Which isn’t even clear. Why don’t you offer a homeless shelter at YOUR house Frank? Doug? and who else of the other “official bloggers”??? …

BTW….I’m anti-sticker and lived in OB for ten years. Boycott is silly and only serves to make more news for Franks little expirement but thanks to the sticker….you bloggers might actually learn what is going on out here in the real world on this very real issue.

  • This could be the most pathetic consumer boycott ever. I imagine June is going to be the best month The Black has had in a long time. You all need to lighten up, it is just a silly sticker and thanks to this blog it is now a silly tee shirt and hat as well. Peace man.
  • One more time the (ultra) liberal press creates an issue, puts their own spin on it and then accuse those who disagree with their position as being heartless and uncaring. The real issue here is not OB’s attitude toward the Homeless, but frustration with the ongoing assault on OBecians and citizens by a select group of individuals.

The facts of the situation are as follows:

1. OB has been invaded by a number of young people who feel that the world and citizens of OB owe them and should capitulate to their demands for money, so as to feed their alcohol and drug habits. When begging doesn’t work, coersion and threats take place.

2. For the most part, these holigans have made a conscious decision to live this chosen lifestyle. Don’t confuse them with people who become homeless through no fault of their own.

3. These culprits add zero value to OB and are in fact detrimental; they don’t work, they chase customers away from businesses on Newport Avenue and make it uncomfortable for OBecians and other to walk the streets. They are responsible for a disproportionate use of police and fire services.

4. The 10News poll mentioned above is not a scientific poll and is subject to manipulation. How many of the respondents live and work in OB and are familar with the issue on a first-hand basis? To even mention this poll is blatent irresponsible journalism!

5. What has the OB Rag and Frank Gormlie personally done to resolve this “Homeless Problem”? How many meals or nights of housing have you provided for any of them or assisted them with alcohol or drug rehab programs? Most likely, it’s another repeat of “the man behind the curtain” in the Wizard of Oz (Do as I say, not as I do).

Kudos to The Black for bringing attention to this blight and taking the business risk in addressing it in the way they have. They’re putting their money where their mouth is.

  • What a waste of a town. Socialists taking my hard earned money and giving it to lazy bums. I might have to visit The Black. The only place in OB with good sense.
  • My husband & I live in LA County, we visit Point Loma often because we have relatives there. We love to walk down to Ocean Beach, it is so beautiful and peaceful. The only thing that spoils the visit is the vagrants that are sitting or laying on the sidewalks (some on drugs or drunk) and begging for money. I read an article in the LA Times on the 4th of July about this problem. They talk about the bumper sticker “don’t feed our bums” and printed comments only from the people who sympathize with the bums. The fact that the bumper stickers are selling so fast that they can’t keep them on the shelves says a lot. One person’s comment said the bumper stickers “dehumanize” the transients. I say ” it is what it is”, they dehumanize themselves by urinating, defecating & trashing the streets. The sympathizers, in my opinion, are narrow minded and detached from reality. Instead of feeling sorry for the non-working transients, why not side with the people who own businesses and homes in OB, or the people who have to clean up after the bums or the visitors who are turned off with having to step around them and being harrassed for money. OB is a friendly, beautiful community with a unique layed-back charm that is appealing but with everything else in life there has to be a line drawn to preserve that charm. This town could be so much more if basic civilized rules were inforced
  • The average homeless drug addict cherishes what little money they have. Let’s say some guy has $20 or $25, whatever it costs to score some meth. They might be hungry but if they buy breakfast at the Jack in the Box, they’ll be short. Alas the church! Of course! Free lunch there. Finacial problem solved. The church has therefore enabled them. Why don’t the churches and other organizations have the homeless submit a urine sample and screen out the tweakers and the crackheads who are causing all the problems. They could also have them blow into a breathelizer so they can screen out the drunks who have to have a 24 oz St Ides first thing in the morning.
  • I’m going to offer my perspective from someone who was 1) in attendance [at the community forum] who participated in a group and 2) still not thoroughly convinced that the entire spectacle requires our attention except to further some other agenda that hasn’t been disclosed. Punchline for all of those who didn’t go to the meeting: THE CHURCHES AND THE PEOPLE WHO BLOG HERE SUPPORT A HOMELESS FACILITY IN OCEAN BEACH. Presumably paid for by the taxes of the rest of us.

Some facts from my group and perspective as a more moderate participant:

– There were more like 120-150 people (MINUS the 50-100 not invited media who were indeed allowed to be there even though it was advertised differently) anyone who can count can see that. 13 rows of chairs at 6 deep on either side with a handful of people standing in the back. C’mon Frank…even your colleagues got this right. Your sensationalism never ends.

– The discussion was hosted by the churches — THEY HAVE THEIR OWN AGENDA and it doesn’t represent the majority of the some odd 25,000 people who live in OB. Hey OBceans… Christians are trying to get to heaven and the only way they can feel good about it is if they are doing “God’s” work in YOUR backyard. Not theirs!!!

– No facts were presented in the meeting….we went straight into the discussions. It is almost presumed by the Churches and the Bloggers that we have a legitimate problem with homelessness. I don’t agree with the “official” number of 50. That is bunk.

– The lady named Lupe who feeds homeless on Mondays sat in the group across from us. She  said that we have to feed homeless people because (sic) Jesus told us so, Amen. She doesn’t live in OB.

The meeting was a little clumsy and somewhat frustrating because it was clear to me that the people in my group were literally comprised of less than half that actually lived in OB. I listened with a grain of salt and bitterness as they began to write checks with my tax money that should be working on a new park or better roads or services.

I believe in democracy and open forum….but I don’t believe in representation without TAXATION. If you aren’t contributing to the community on a level comensurate with your ability to provide service, then you shouldn’t be taking advantage of the same level of public services that the rest of us provide with our tax dollars. If the church wants to feed the homeless with all of their money….great. I don’t, and my guess is that the other 25,000 something people of OB who didn’t bother to come out last night won’t support it either.

In the end….I reviewed ALL of the comments. None of them were earthshattering or even worth further consideration.  Keep OB Safe, Clean and keep Drugs off the Street…..these are ALL social ilk associated with MORE homeless people and (to be fair) just more people in OB. Guess what baby boomers….. we aren’t living in 1965 when you bought your quaint little beach cottage. YOUR OB has doubled in size due to run-away development for several decades. No…..smart people in OB DON’T want more public services….these are just locations for more homeless to use for free (see comments above from the non-taxpaying homeless in my group). These SEEM like a good idea until they are instantly trashed by people and then nobody in their right mind (unless you are desparate) will use them. You will just walk home to go to the bathroom or shower. No…surfers you don’t get free water from my tax money. Sorry….you chose to get sandy and salty.

The people of OB should watch out. Your best interest was not represented last night. The Churches are not looking out for you, they want to get to heaven and the only way they can do that is to continue subsidizing homelessness in your community without providing any real solutions for getting people off the street. Their end is met the second they give that man(person) a fish for a meal. Strangely….their biggest teacher discussed teaching men to fish for themselves and to also be fishers of men. Not subsidizers of people who clearly choose to not participate in society the way we have arranged it. I don’t interpret the bible in a manner similar to these kooks. Is it humane to give a drug addict a dollar knowing that it is going right towards getting more drugs. How can you discriminate homeless from drug addict? You don’t…you let professionals do that work and you let cops enforce the law.

I can now see that the Church and “good samaritans” are providing meals at least THREE times a week in OB. That means that if you don’t mind sleeping in a bush and only fending for yourself half the time….you are SET in OB…..never mind the FEAST that the Rock Church with the Charger’s Football money provides on occasion at the beach as well.

Thanks for uncovering the real agenda of the Rag and the Church last night Frank. Now the rest of us know where your little spectacle is going and we know where to organize the real resistance. We don’t want more services or a homeless shelter in OB. Stop the spectacle now… and quit picking fights in order to get on TV. Nobody’s Civil Rights have been violated in OB!

{ 39 comments… read them below or add one }

avatar obDaDa July 13, 2010 at 12:50 am

ThanKs, _ _ RaG (/Frank) 4 leTTinG thE “opositioN” bE hearD heRe
FaiR & BaLanceD iS GooD 2 heaR

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avatar just my 2 cents July 13, 2010 at 8:13 am

Why not give this a rest until we get something back from the meeting. Stirring the pot is not good…give it a break. See what comes from the meeting is my thought.

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avatar Frank Gormlie July 13, 2010 at 8:43 am

Just wanted everyone to see the absolute vileness that is emailed our way, the personal attacks on me, and to give a sampling of what (and why) these comments were placed in “moderation.”

My personal favorite comment: “What a waste of a town. Socialists taking my hard earned money and giving it to lazy bums. …”

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avatar JEC July 13, 2010 at 9:22 am

Frank and OBRagsters, I do not consider most of the comments to be “…hate mail, the mail filled with anger, and other vulgar…” When you play a public role be ready to deal with the public. Many of the comments come from people who care about OB. They’re just on the other side of the issue. I think you should have posted most of these comments when they were submitted.

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avatar BillRayDrums July 13, 2010 at 10:12 am

http://billraydrums.com/images/crap/bum.jpg

Probably best to not start invoking the name of certain racial hate groups. As I said before, someone is likely to get physically hurt somewhere along the line and these Einsteins are always looking for some cause to attach themselves to.

Maybe that’s what you’re after…stir the pot!

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avatar OB Cindi July 13, 2010 at 9:39 am

I am a spiritual person who appreciated that the church offered a peaceful opportunity to discuss the things we love and the things we want to change in OB, and to pool social resources together. I saw the meeting as both informative and productive. Maybe my peace circle was different from that of the last “commenter.” OBRag did not initially take the sticker to the media–lets not forget that The Black and the sticker’s creator contacted tv media to promote a sticker they describe as “amusing.” Those who chose to be outside The Black to petition to have the sticker removed felt the sticker targeted a group of people who need facilities and social services, not anger, threats or hate. We all agreed that we want our sidewalks to be cleaned more often, better lighting in dark areas by the beach and Newport, and we want to work with police on creating neighborhood watch programs in parts of Ocean Beach that have experienced a rise in criminal/illegal activity. The fact that more then 100 people came together to pool resources and try to find solutions rather then create a sticker to make money off a social ill, speaks volumes of this community. I am so proud of you Ocean Beach! Keep being totally AWESOME!!!

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avatar Kenneth Legg July 13, 2010 at 12:20 pm

The last “commenter” obviously took something different away from the meeting than you did.That does that make his opinion less valid than yours?Not that I agree with everything he or she said,but some valid points were made( as well as some off the wall ones).I do find it interesting that many of the people preaching to obecians to be tolerant don’t live here.Easy to tell us to be tolerant of the guy peeing on your house when you live in Tierrasanta.

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avatar Frank Gormlie July 13, 2010 at 1:16 pm

That’s a long stream, man, of pee – from OB to Tierrasanta, my god!

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avatar Kenneth Legg July 13, 2010 at 3:00 pm

lotsa 40 ouncers)

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avatar OB Cindi July 14, 2010 at 7:33 pm

Kenneth Legg–I think you misunderstood me. I did not say that the opinion of the “last commenter” was less valid than mine. I simply stated I had a different experience in my focus group. I am an OBcean. I don’t live in Tierrasanta. I live two blocks from Sunset Cliffs and Newport. But even if I did live somewhere outside of OB but had an opinion of OB, this would be the place to voice that opinion, right? We need to all be careful to not continue the “Locals Only” attitude. I realize that was not what you were going for, but throwing out TierraSanta was random. I for one, want to see more lights and restrooms along the alleys of Newport to prevent late night patrons from using our neighborhood as a toilet. Landry Watson and the rest of OBTC and OBPB are working on getting us more bathrooms with showers. As for your commentary on OBRag, I appreciate that you bring another angle to the discussion, and that you do it in a respectful manner. So keep the questions coming my friend, and enjoy this beautiful sun-shiny week in our slice of heaven!

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avatar Kenloc July 15, 2010 at 1:16 pm

Sorry,your putting “commenter” in quotations made it appear that way to me.I do disagree with the locals only thing though.If I visit a city once or twice a year what right do I have to speak to their local problems?Who am I to say what the people that live in that town should or should not do to affect their everyday living.Why not just visit a different town?What if people from other cities outnumber Obecians 2 to 1 at a meeting.Is the will of ob being put forth? Should everyone that visits San Francisco have a say in what they should do about their homeless population? That would be alot of peace circles.) I try to keep the comments unoffensive and enjoy the conversations about our town.As for the lights and restrooms I’m all for it.Who’s going to pay for it?Not our broke city) Perhaps we can get all of the bars to post a sign on the exits reminding people to go to the restroom before they leave.”DON’T PEE ON O.B.! GO BEFORE YOU GO!” It may not solve the problem but if it stops 20% of people from peeing in an alley it’s a start.

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avatar just my 2 cents July 13, 2010 at 10:32 pm

OB Sindi exactly what proof do you have that the Black and the stickers creator contacted the media to promote the sticker? Please tell me….

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avatar Shane Finneran July 13, 2010 at 10:50 am

Wow, if you string together some of the best quotes, you get a list of Talking Points for Sticker-Lovers:

Yes, the sticker is tacky – but that’s okay — I’m tacky, too:
“There are thousands of OFFENSIVE joke t-shirts that attack and satirize EVERY race, gender, religion and character…I’ll be buying mine tomorrow.”

And I’m a true OB local, just so you know:
“Can I ask where you were born and raised?”

Anyway, it’s just a certain type of bum that angers me enough to inspire my creative muse:
“this new breed of vermin, slithering in to OB”

Some of them have addictions that reflect poorly on my addictions:
“there’s nothing like someone’s scabby face, dirty hands, ass hanging out of their clothes, stench of B-O, urine, blood and filth when you are in line at a liquor store trying to buy some smokes and shove them in your purse so nobody sees you coming out with them”

And I sure am fed up with socialist do-gooders looking to waste my tax money on welfare:
“I’m so tired of people taking the side of “humans” ”

You know, I’m not paranoid or anything, but the mentally ill are out to get you and me:
“mental illness runs rampant throughout the bums ranks and this makes them extremely dangerous and unpredictable”

And just who are these “Churches” anyway?
“The Churches are not looking out for you, they want to get to heaven and the only way they can do that is to continue subsidizing homelessness in your community without providing any real solutions for getting people off the street”

By the way, don’t feed The Black, either:
“Fuck those hypocrites at The Black anyway… Go back to what you do best: selling glass dicks to crackheads and sniff-bullets to tweekers.”

To wrap things up, I’ll make a statement and then contradict it in the same sentence:
“let the trolls know they are not welcome- everyone else knows what a benevolent community OB is”

And finally, in closing, let me tell you what this is really all about:
“Homeless people are worse then jews and niggers. Kill all of the panhandling fools.”

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avatar Frank Gormlie July 13, 2010 at 11:24 am

Got more than a couple of laughs, Shane. That was great! You’re BACK!! Yea!

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avatar Peyton Farquhar July 13, 2010 at 11:14 am

The “bums” sticker seems to be as volatile as the booze on the beach issue in OB, except without as much anger. It seems to me that a large majority of the above referenced comments were from folks who resent the 20-something homeless in a BIG way. I don’t pretend to know what that is about, but jeez, if you’re going to comment about bums with “salty” language and mucking up the bushes with explosive diarrhea, that’s one thing as these are very real issues, but I would think that age would be the last thing mentioned. To me, it smacks of a bunch of bitter Boomer elders complaining about their lost youth masquerading as community outrage.

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avatar Kenneth Legg July 13, 2010 at 12:04 pm

what if they are 20 somethings who bust their ass to make a living everyday and can’t understand why the other 20 somethings can’t do the same?If you are 19 and can do a backflip for a dollar surely you are able to work.check out the demographics of OB.mostly 20 to 40.

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avatar tj July 13, 2010 at 12:47 pm

Unfortunatly – HATE is becoming the new American way.

Divide & conquer is the sad little agenda.

Selfishness the objective.

Too bad.

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avatar Ernie McCray July 13, 2010 at 1:00 pm

And just think: the reason the sticker became an issue to those of us at OB Rag in the first place is that it colored all the homeless with the same brush.
None of us appreciate aggressive panhandlers or people who leave their body waste on our lawns but neither can we sit by idly while the innocent among the “bums” are vilified and put in risk of danger.

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avatar just my 2 cents July 13, 2010 at 10:34 pm

Then the innocent of the bums need to go to the services the city has in place already. It’s easy.

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avatar Abby July 14, 2010 at 8:13 am

The city is sadly lacking in services to help the people who actually need/want help. They just don’t have the infrastructure in place.

I don’t know what the answer to this problem is, but I don’t think it’s going to be stickers.

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avatar just my 2 cents July 14, 2010 at 8:17 am

the stickers have done 1000s times more that anything else in case you missed that…..you might not have liked the intent but they have drawn more attention to this than the CITY, THE RAG, THE BEACON , OR ANYTHING OR ANYBODY ELSE !!

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avatar bodysurferbob July 14, 2010 at 9:32 am

really disagree with you there two cents. as i recall, this blog was the first media to showcase the stupid bum sticker. i just did a search here and found this: http://obrag.org/?p=21193

you are wrong man, wrong wrong wrong, – you don’t know really what you’re talking about, you have an agenda and you stick to it no matter what the facts are.

but this is a community blog and you can say what you want, or at least if you keep it in civil tones, i suppose.

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avatar Frank Gormlie July 13, 2010 at 2:08 pm

Well, this was an experiment.

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avatar Random OB'r July 13, 2010 at 2:24 pm

Man, you guys seem really desperate to nail yourselves to a cross over this. Let it go already. Guess what happens when you take a controversial side over a hoary social issue on the net? The many varied forms of anonymous internet neanderthals will come out of the woodwork to troll you. By posting their mail, you only serve to validate them and make yourselves look childish.

The homeless issue in OB (as in the rest of the country) is a varied and complex social problem, there are no easy answers. The sticker is harmless and sure, a little politically incorrect, but as a guy who has lived here and holds a steady job, I’m not going to say that my feelings are all peace and love for the homeless any more either (I see many more bad apples than good ones these days). By singling out the sticker you only served to enforce the “Streisand Effect” and give power to a ridiculous and cheeky symbol while managing to completely miss doing anything concrete towards solving or really even defining the problem as it stands in OB today. I mean a community discussion could help sure, but not when you split it into “peace circles,” as that’s not how adults sit down to solve contentious, tough problems.

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avatar Ernie McCray July 13, 2010 at 10:14 pm

I’m interested. How do adults sit down to solve contentious tough problems? Besides war or shouting matches.

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avatar Molly July 13, 2010 at 2:54 pm

Random, know what you mean, I kind of get tired of this issue too. But truthfully, the homeless are not going away, nothing has been solved. Although a good chuck of the community did come together to discuss it and begin the process together to try to deal with all the complexities you mentioned. (Were you one of the ones who bolted for the door the minute the pastor mentioned ‘peace circles’?)

Apparently lots of trolls came breezing in and a bunch of locals came on this blog and left their two cents – much of it nasty – just plain, downright nasty! So, why does the blog look ‘childish’ for publishing some of these emails of anger? I think the people who wrote them are childish.

‘Fraid you are way off the mark if you think the sticker ‘was harmless.’ WTF dude~! You have a job – nice – keep it. Many don’t – and those of us with jobs should not cast an evil eye towards those that don’t. Granted some homeless want to be homeless. But many don’t. THE STICKER IS NOT HARMLESS. Lesson no 1 for you.

And as for this blog doing nothing? Excuse me??!! IF it wasn’t for this blog there would NOT have been a forum last week in OB. At least we’re discussing these issues and not casting stones at the other side. Oh, that’s right – in your macho male world “adults don’t sit around in peace circles and discuss problems.’ The only thing that allows bad things to happen is when good people do nothing. What are you doing about this problem?

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avatar Marilyn Steber July 13, 2010 at 6:40 pm

I’ve participated in “Peace Circles” that weren’t in churches, only they were called “Breakout Sessions”. They are commonly used in business and academic settings, too. So our 20 year olds and boomer babies who object to them aren’t interested in organized non-ruly meetings out of ignorance.
Two kinds of messages I block out are by people who express themselves exclusively with obscenity and the ones who can’t spell it right, anyway. I apologize to everyone who wasn’t taught how to use contractions, and those who add an apostrophe s (ie,’s) to make a plural. We tried to educate the best we could. I can excuse Mandarin China who is open on “Monday’s”, but I can’t excuse the sign maker. That’s just the way I am. It’s a curse.

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avatar Kenloc July 14, 2010 at 8:27 am

this is a blog,not a term paper.many people type without proper punctuation or caps.get over your educated self and read the message the words send.Perhaps there is a blog written by scholars of the english language you could switch to. “You are a poor speller therefore your opinion doesn’t matter to me”wow

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avatar Abby July 14, 2010 at 11:32 am

So because you are on the internet you shouldn’t bother to use proper spelling and punctuation? If you don’t care about what you are writing, why should anyone else?

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avatar Kenloc July 15, 2010 at 12:50 pm

Abby, some people are just not great at spelling or did not do so well in english class.I don’t think that makes their opinions irrelevant.

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avatar Abby July 15, 2010 at 1:18 pm

Most browsers have spell check built in.

I am a terrible speller, I use spell check. It doesn’t take a lot of effort.

Your words are how you present yourself in this medium. Shouldn’t you care enough to make them readable?

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avatar john July 15, 2010 at 12:16 am

While I agree with you on the obscenity part, after years of debating people all over the internets on a variety of topics both serious and less than, I’ve found that those who overly concern themselves about others’ composition skills or spelling errors often do so out of an inferior position on the issues.
Hey, life requires a well balanced set of skills, no doubt, and proper expression in the native language is one of them. I remember a forum some years ago where a guy who became a regular contributer posted like, well, about a second grade elementary student. The topic of this forum was loosely based on custom cars, and everyone ridiculed him, I mean really rude. Something about him made me defend him, though. They’re blasting him like “hey, go back to school!” but he’s 30 something years old, I don’t think it’s that simple. We can understand the points he’s making, lay off him.
One thing leads to another and some of us got together in the real world and I met this guy. Turned out, as I thought, he was severely dyslexic. As well as an absolute genius in the “industrial arts” and owned his own machine shop in Los Angeles doing CAD based machining of prototype aluminum parts for major aftermarket manufacturers that were beyond the capability of their own machinists. His annual income was probably close to a half million a year, as much as any ten of the people in the forum ridiculing him combined. He could barely read and write yet can just glance at a blueprint, pick up a chunk of billet alumimun and have it copied down to .0001 of an inch tolerances by intuition.
One of those “don’t judge a book by its cover” things, like just because I read and write well don’t think I’m not a loser in many other ways. It only matters if the topic of discussion is English composition.

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avatar Kenloc July 15, 2010 at 12:53 pm

Well said,sir.

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avatar Flush July 14, 2010 at 7:27 pm

Dang! I’ve been on vacation so I missed this story when it came out, but can I just say – Yeahh! My comments made it on the “hate mail” list! I’m honored – thank you very much!

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avatar john July 15, 2010 at 12:27 am

“**** those hypocrites at The Black anyway. They’ve make money of hard drug paraphernalia for decades, and now they anoint themselves the arbiters of what constitutes a scourge on the community? The Black and their proprietors are in a glass house throwing stones. Go back to what you do best: selling glass dicks to crackheads and sniff-bullets to tweekers. ”

I was wondering for a while now if I was the only one who saw the apparant contradiction in that…. but then I always thought the Black itself was a contradiction, no self respecting head goes to head shops and wastes money on the never ending selection of foo-foo smoking apparatus, their money should be spent wisely, on more drugs.
Has anybody bought the giant mushroom waterfall display yet? The one everyone touches so it’s all discolored everywhere but behind the “do not touch” sign? “Only $12,995.00”

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avatar Kenloc July 15, 2010 at 1:24 pm

i’m still saving for that waterfall)

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avatar LisanOB July 15, 2010 at 10:00 am

No need for the courtesy of anonymity Frank (heretofore OBRag), didn’t know you were so sensitive. I’ll make all future comments to the collective “OBRag” so as not to attack anyone personally… Now moving on.

I’m actually not surprised that you’ve posted the above comments…although it is much more exciting when you post them all at once and dehumanize the opposition by posting a clearly racist comment amongst them. So….now, I’m feeling oppressed a little. :)

I stand by my comments/posts above and they begin with the following:
It’s almost as if the license plates are true… and
I’m going to offer my perspective from someone

Sure….I’m cynical and snarky, but I’ve always brought fact to back up my positions and I rarely comment with strictly IMO.

So it is great that you’ve chosen to show some opposition although not entirely clear because most of these comments aren’t really in a category that most people would consider vile, evil or hate. No big deal…judging from some of the profanity in other posts I’m confused by the censorship.

One thing that you’ve continued to suppress in my post is that I’ve repeatedly asked you to run a poll to see if OBceans actually support the formation of a Homeless shelter in Ocean Beach.

Just run the poll and you will have a pretty good idea about public support to the concept which is really what we should be discussing here and not whether or not either the first OR the second sticker is offensive or childish. Since they both are and we all get that….what we really want to know is whether or not we should ask for a homeless shelter right OBRag?

Run the poll and you will be rewarded with positive discussion on the concept on both sides of the issue and we will all have a better understanding of the will of OB.

Lastly, in a landmark discussion and event at the City of San Diego, the City Council’s Land Use and Housing committee voted 3-1 in support of the formation of a permanent homeless shelter and program for San Diego to replace the current seasonal and temporary shelters. You can read about it here: http://www.kpbs.org/news/2010/jul/15/sd-homeless-shelter-takes-step-forward/

I’m sure they whipped up this concept AFTER seeing the sticker though ;-)

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avatar just my 2 cents July 21, 2010 at 8:44 am

Are we still waiting on a plan of action from the homeless meeting ??
Hummmmm……..

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avatar Frank Gormlie July 21, 2010 at 10:29 am

As I understand, the forum organizers are going through the more than 50 pages of notes and ideas, and will be organizing another more-focused forum in the near future.

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